R/S Transmissions...

[TORKMAN_8007]

I was just wondering what everyone thought about the trans rules about this class. With a few people having problems this weekend, just kinda wondering what everyone thought.

What about NMRA letting G-Forces, Jerichos, trannys of that nature in the class. I mean seriously, come on, 90% of these cars probably never see the street, and I'm sure some people would agree that the tranny rules are ridiculous. We the racers are spending a lot of money on trannys for this class, and they still are not holding up for long. We need to have a durable tranny for this class.

Also, what about autos as well being allowed in the class, that is another possibility as well.

Just my opinion, I would like to hear what other people from the class as well as other classes have to say as well.

Also congrats to my buddy Bruce for his win at Joliet, great job.
Way to represent the blower camp as well a Robin.

[fiveoboy01]

The g-force stuff will be legal for next year.

A jerico would be nice, I realize that it's a little different than a TKOII but both are unsynchronized type boxes, the Jerico being stronger. I believe that you need a vertigate-type shifter for a Jerico.

I'd rather see a change to allow an adjustable clutch and/or reduced weight. These two things could help reduce breakage.

I'm pretty sure that most will agree that R/S should stay with the stick shifts. Autos would make for less excitement and would take some driver error out of the equation. A missed shift can really change the outcome of a race.

[RSwannabe]

Quote from Dirty B
Autos would make for less excitement

I do believe that the auto car that went through two rounds of qualifying did just fine at adding excitement.:D

[fiveoboy01]

I was debating whether or not to mention that...:)

I guess my question would be how it even got through tech in the first place...

[SANDMAN]

The same way a Carbed 85 made it 2 rds of quals in F/S last year.

[ponymanfiveo]

I was wondering why Wes asked me if I had a manual trans.
when I pulled over the scales third round Sat. night

Ha, I didnt hear about that.

Matt Johnson
R.S.8036

[COOKM]

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DROP IN THE WEIGHT TOO......
MY STOCK STREET MUSTANG ONLY WEIGHS 3050 W/ FULL INTERIOR AND STEREO SYSTEM. IF THIS IS A STREET CLASS WHY DO THE CARS NEED TO WEIGH MORE THAN THE STREET CARS?????

[Andy Johnson]

You know there is a real easy solution to address this issue. Lower the base weight to 3000lbs and allow adjustable or slipper clutches to absorb some of the shock that our drivetrains are experience at the heavier base weights. We have first hand knowledge as to what happens when you upgrade your drivetrain with steel billet yokes. You bend and twist the output shaft of your transmission. You know the saying " The chain is only as strong as it's weakest link". We will most likely address the weaker shaft issue with a tranny upgrade.

[Musics R&P]

I don't miss the broken transmission we went though last yr but I do miss all you R/S racers. Jon wrecked our truck and has been in the body shop for 9 wks. No one hurt but cann't get to the races without it the other truck is to old for the long hauls.
Like last yr added weight to the N.O.S cars.Should of taken weight away from all of us.
You would think that with all the trouble with breakage in the class they would listen about the weight atleast.:D

[LanceL]

Building a r/s car and wondering do you guys mean they are going to allow the g-force t/5 or the other g-force trans they use in hot street? Thanks

[PulpDogsRacing]

G-Force T5 helical cut

[383natural]

i've said this before, all t-5 style trans are garbage!!!! i dont care who makes, or worked on it. the nmra will only allow the brand trans that pays them the most money period. i lobbied to let toploaders in real street over the winter( talk about cost effective for the racer) and they would'nt even hear it. the auto stick debate it a moot point too, id say auto's are pretty exciting too considering compton's bumper draggin automatic h/s ride. i say let the autos in and any manual as long as its not clutchless. and have staff that can identify a clutchless trans, and actually drive the car themselves if need be. plain and simple, sticks are cool when you're younger, but when your older with a family and larger bills, parts breakage because of a junk trans sucks. racing is already way too expensive ( especially racing a ford).

[fiveoboy01]

Originally posted by 383natural
i've said this before, all t-5 style trans are garbage!!!!

I think there are some that would disagree with you.

the nmra will only allow the brand trans that pays them the most money period.

Can you prove that?

the auto stick debate it a moot point too

Not really. The stick makes it a driver's class. One missed shift can change the outcome of the race. I'm not "inside" the NMRA's rule making process, but I can guarantee that this will remain a stick-only class. I'd venture to say that all the other racers want it to stay that way.

have staff that can identify a clutchless trans, and actually drive the car themselves if need be.

The tech staff is busy enough the way it is without having to police another rule. Test drive every R/S car? Please...

plain and simple, sticks are cool when you're younger, but when your older with a family and larger bills, parts breakage because of a junk trans sucks. racing is already way too expensive ( especially racing a ford).

Everyone deals with some sort of parts breakage at one point or another. Drag racing breaks parts period. If you can't afford it, pick a slower class or build something for O/C or brackets.

[LanceL]

I agree on the stick/auto debate, as far as never allowing automatics. The whole idea of this class is stickin it! I hope they don't allow this class to get out of hand the way renegade did!

[383natural]

check the past posts for your proof bro, its already there i dont have to prove anything. their response to me was as i stated. every one has their own opinion on the matter, i really dont care. whether im watching or racing an auto or stick car there's no difference in the fun factor. get real. you think fans care if the car is a stick or auto? all we care about is who's fastest and who wins. as for your opinion on what class I should run. let me worry about that. lets name the class what it really is, real street 1991. ask paul wiley or jimmy and john clement or sid wilcox how many "street cars" in the detroit area run a t-5 style trans or even a stick for that matter. the answer is NONE. because they break plain and simple. when im racing someone i dont want to have to hope he misses a gear so i can compete with him. i wanna see if my car is faster period. its easy to talk about how sticks are cool when you're not the guy paying for the broken parts. you're right racing is going to have parts breakage, but needless waste of racers money just for the sake of keeping the class "tremec" only is ridiulous. thats exactly why i street race the car i built for h/s and converted for r/s. why should i pay 2400.00 for trans i KNOW is gonna break just to race this class?-------------------------fear the c-4!!!!!!!!!-------------------------------

[fiveoboy01]

383 -

I'm not trying to get into a pissing match here. You have your opinion, I have mine. Fair enough.

[JakeLaRock]

there is a fellow designing a new gearset for the tko that is gonna be able to handle way more power/abuse then the r/s cars are making, as long as its finished and ready for racers by next season, i don't think there will be anymore tranny woes for the guys that decide to use it.

[ponymanfiveo]

Originally posted by JakeLaRock
there is a fellow designing a new gearset for the tko
Who is this fellow?

I dont want to build a T5 for next year. I like My TKO:p

Will it be leagal?
Care to share some info?

Matt Johnson R/S 8036

[JakeLaRock]

Tony, at astro perf. I've talked to him about it a month ago, i don't think anything is set in stone, but he seemed pretty confident that he would be ready to test it at the end of the year. I don't know alot about it, but he says it should handle 1000hp and 800ft lbs. I think there are some other r/s racers that might know a little more. If he completes it, i hope to use it in my r/s car next year. Jake

[93MustangLX306]

With those kind of power numbers I would worry about the entire tranny case holding that power. Just my thoughts though, if it can be done at all.

[ponymanfiveo]

ahhhh, Ok thanks.

I have talked to Tony before, Cool dude.
I guess I'll have to call him sometime and get the dirt.

thanks Jake!

[Perky]

I thought Tony was talking about a T5....?????

Atleast that's what I remember him saying to me..

[Chris Fillyaw]

I believe the originator of those gears just might be Liberty.

[Ed Curtis]

Originally posted by Chris Fillyaw
I believe the originator of those gears just might be Liberty.

"Ding - Ding - Ding"

We have a winner!

:D :D :D :D

[JakeLaRock]

No, not liberty, he is designing them w/ the help of g-force, and it is a tremec. They are 9310 nickel helical gears, don't know much else. He said he may have a display at Bowling Green, but he wasn't for sure