Congratulations Big Daddy!!! [Archive] - NMRA Ford Nationals Series Forum

JHenke

08-12-2002, 03:36 PM

First off, congrats to BD! That was truely impressive. As usual, drag radial put on a top show. Big up to Chris for thrashing all night on his car and still running an 8. Great numbers were put up by Big Bob and Tony. Great job by Norris, finishing his car just in time for the race and putting up some good times.

I would like most of all to thank Spence for all his help (and his crank pulley). Thanks to Ricky Best for the hookup ;) .

For anybody interested, I cut the oil filter open and it was loaded. Now I just gotta find out why it spun a bearing. 20 psi under throttle, never good! At least it wasn't making any noise, hopefully the damage isn't too bad.

No_Name_Bandit

08-12-2002, 04:18 PM

Hey Mr.Henke, with the way your winking that eye, it sounds like Ricky must of really hooked you up...;)

Spence

08-12-2002, 04:45 PM

Congrats BD, truely incredible performances.

Jim, your welcome and anytime we can make it all come together its worth the hassle. Tell Pop, thanks for the brews.

JHenke

08-12-2002, 07:50 PM

Hey, James, is it too early to start campaigning for a bigger Vortech? 166 mph! We'd better pass on the j-trim and look for a x, because that's our only chance of making that kind of power. Let the radials and suspension be the limiting factor, not the size of the power adder. That's just my 2 cents.

Kelly, what are you trying to say? w/o you there, nobody was getting the proper hookup....;) . Know what I'm saying? Seriously, you missed a good time.

Jim

instigator

08-12-2002, 09:04 PM

Congrats to Big Daddy. That time and especially the MPH were incredible. That final itself was awesome. Could have been legendary if the outcome was different.
Congrats to Chris and the night shift for getting things back together. I know some hearts must have sunk when the Green Monster fired up on Sunday morning.
Congrats too all.
Bob T.

TJF95GT

08-13-2002, 03:40 AM

Congrats Big Daddy!Too bad i couldnt make it to see it.

peterc

08-13-2002, 05:07 AM

big d.. congrats... its about time you got off your a$$, its amazing what you can do with a turbo and a shot of nitrous.. was that a 150 or 175 shot... just kidding... congrats again...

peter c
dr10047
8.84 @ 159 ... i was the new sheriff in town for almost 2 days... but was just visiting.

lugo

08-13-2002, 08:03 AM

Congrats to Dwayne, Rick, Job and the Turbo People crew. Truely incredible performance good luck at BG. 2 in a row ;)

nosjoe

08-13-2002, 09:37 AM

Congratulations on your win and your E.T. damm your flying.

oRaNgeT-76

08-13-2002, 12:13 PM

first off congrats to Dwayne for finally closing the deal and getting a win. you called it thrusday night ......"8.70s @160-somthing"
congrats to Pete for putting up a good number and having the record for a day or two.
Nice job chris for busting your ass and putting that car back together ....and still busting off some 8-second passes.

till BG
Alex

Bobo

08-13-2002, 01:22 PM

Congrats BD.....8.70's.....I woulda never thought it :eek:

Griffey

08-13-2002, 07:29 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JHenke
[B]Hey, James, is it too early to start campaigning for a bigger Vortech? 166 mph! We'd better pass on the j-trim and look for a x, because that's our only chance of making that kind of power. Let the radials and suspension be the limiting factor, not the size of the power adder. That's just my 2 cents.

hmmmmmm.....I remember not to long ago Big D was posting that there was NO WAY he could go as fast as C Little with a 76.Harry(Precision Turbo) and Turbonetics both agreed and said it was impossible.Well it dosen't look impossible now.So before we go running off with bigger superchargers I say let's see what happens.The class is growing,and gaining momentum so why start changing rules?Besides hasn't a supercharged car made it to the finals 3 out of 4?

93MustangLX306

08-13-2002, 08:40 PM

I just want to throw in my 2 cents here as well. I am nto taking anything away from Big or any of the other racers. Walk around the pits, you will see crews up past the hour where your eyes stay open, lights blairing on the car, and parts all over. Somewhere during the course of the night, sweat falls, and sunlight rises, and that is when winners (champions ) are born.

It is not always the resources they have or parts they use. NOT everyone can just walk into Drag Radial and win, NOT anyone can spend 70K+ and have a winning car. It takes dedication, and testing and broken parts, and curse words, and sometimes the feeling of * to hell with it*.

Their is not a single team out there that did not put out a valiant effort to win ATCO.

I think the class as a whole is finally getting a grip on the MASSIVE amounts of power they are making, and being able to get it to the track is a whole different story. I agree, leave the power adders the way they are, and let everyone Test N' Test and try to achieve the mnost out of their car and chassis, before we go arguing for bigger power adders.

This may start a flame, but Bigger is no always Better. A well tuned chassis, and a great driver will win races.

Look at the list of players now.

Champani: 8.84
Little : 8.8x
Big Daddy: 8.71
Curto : 8.83
If I missed anyone I do appologize, but those are some serious numbers!!!!! It may be a matter of getting your combo to work best for your car.

Those numbers are faster than Renegade is going right now, and i would think the power numbers are comparable.

DAMN, .... Drag Radial is gettign it done on 315x60x15 tires, thats a 13.5 inch wide tire that is supporting over 900+ hp at the wheels, that is a RIDE.

All I am going to say is, racing takes time, effort and testing and lessons learned. I am learning that now.

But to all, I hope before you opt for the bigger power adder you think about how you can get around the parameters of the tires.

Scott Kalisch

See you all at BG

9310 O/C

Cope

08-13-2002, 10:44 PM

Champani: 8.84
Little : 8.8x
Big Daddy: 8.71
Curto : 8.83
Do you see any blower car in there? A couple of turbos and 2 nos cars.

I think Bob MacDonald is the only blower even close to the 8's and that was only one pass. F1-R is a serious blower way bigger than the ys,and the J. I think we need a rule change.

Vortech cars CAN NOT compete with the F1-R let alone a turbo, or NOS car.

Quote,
"This may start a flame, but Bigger is no always Better. A well tuned chassis, and a great driver will win races. "

Look at Spence he as been testing and tuning all year he has that blower MAXED out.

Another Quote,
"DAMN, .... Drag Radial is gettign it done on 315x60x15 tires, thats a 13.5 inch wide tire that is supporting over 900+ hp at the wheels, that is a RIDE."

Did i miss a new rule here because I have be running on 325/50/15 all year.

One more Quote,
"But to all, I hope before you opt for the bigger power adder you think about how you can get around the parameters of the tires."

We thought about the parameters of the tire and now we NEED more blower on our cars.

Before someone says to switch power adders. That's not what it about,it's about equality.

Plus i want to stick with VORTECH. It's been very good to me so far. Just need more power.

Thats all i have to say about that,

Cope

Spence

08-14-2002, 02:45 AM

Griffey

08-14-2002, 03:37 AM

I'm hearing the same things Big D said not that long ago.Man I wish I could pull up the archives from the ford mall.No way can I go any faster, their maxed out,precision turbo,turbonetics say it won't go any faster. WELL IT DID! IT HAS! IT WILL CONTINUE!
After seeing that lobbying for a bigger turbo wasn't going to work this year Big D got to work and got the job done.He did what everyone said was impossible.Including himself.I think he should be congratulated more for that than anything.Than again the numbers he put up were awesome.

Kwik92GT

08-14-2002, 06:16 AM

Congrats on your great runs this weekend BD. You've got that thing flying and I'm sure it makes all the hard work worth it. I'd also like to give big props to C. Little and crew for the thrash they had to put on in order to make it to elims. on Sunday and make it to yet another final. Really, all the DR racers need to give themselves a pat on the back for pulling together (as usual) and putting on a great show. Great job to all.

I really don't want to get into a discussion about rules in this thread but it's been opened up so I'll throw in my .02. I've made every race this year helping out where I can and can say without a doubt that the YS is heavily out-gunned in this class. Spence has run 152 mph with it and to my knowledge that's the most MPH anyone has run with it so far. To run 166mph he will need another 250-300 hp! It's NOT going to happen with the YS, plain and simple. Have the blower cars had some pretty good showings? Yes, but it was through some good driving and consistent runs, NOT big power. Look at the timeslips, they tell the real story. Congrats again to all but I believe the Voretch camp needs some help. Laterz.

BIGBOB@JESEL

08-14-2002, 07:07 AM

CONGRATS BIG DADDY

NOT A BAD WEEKEND FOR TEAM OUTRAGEOUS

QUALIFING 1, 2, & 3

#1 TONY CURTO (NITROUS)
#2 BOB MCDONALD (SUPERCHARGED)
#3 BIG DADDY (TURBO) + EVENT WINNER

"BIG" BOB MCDONALD
PROCHARGED 9.04 @154

NoSlix

08-14-2002, 07:27 AM

Griffey,

Dwayne did get a bigger turbo after he posted thatmonths back! It's not your normal T76 like me and Alex and I think Ty have. The limiting factor on the turbos is not the compressor side......it's the turbine side and the backpressure that's created. Dwayne and Peter have hybrid turbos with big turbines mated to 76mm compressors. You won't see a standard T76 running much over about 158, possibly 160mph. No way will it push a car with our rules to 166mph. Unfortunately, procuring one of those turbos right now is next to impossible for most of us. The NMRA must allow bigger Vortech's now. If they don't, there's something wrong.

peterc

08-14-2002, 08:20 AM

didnt big daddy already go 8.90s with the setup that is in alex's car? regardless... the limiting factor on the turbo is the inlet size... its a feat making power with these things... theres only so much air you can move through a 76mm inlet... its like trying to suck a golf ball through a straw... the blower guys should be able to run the bigger blowers... but you'll have to give us the bigger turbo.... peter dr10047

thebigdaddy

08-14-2002, 11:12 AM

First off i would like to thank everyone for their support. Fans DR racers and others.

I really would like to thank the guys at the NMRA staff, for the warm welcome.It's been a long time coming 7 races without a win or runner up.

Also I really would love to thank my team(OUTRAGEOUS) for pulling together to help Chris Little get his car back together, Tony that was a wonderful thing to give Chris an exhaust valve, even when you needed a converter in Florida and it wasn't given to you. Marshall thanks a million (My crew chief) owns his own business..parts and machine shop,for going against your own will and doing what ever it took to fix Chris Little heads because I asked you to do it for me... Thanks I owe you big. Alex and Regas what can I say you guys always offer to help at anytime, thanks for the support of helping anywhere you could. I know you guys were a little mad at me for not fixing my own car... I thought that Bob and Chris needed more help. (THANKS TEAM OUTRAGEOUS)...

Big Thanks goes to Job Sr and Jr for not letting me give up and the keeping this team together...Comp Cams thanks for the new piece. Marty Chance for the converter, Kooks for the recommendations along with Turbo People for the header design, and Innovative Turbo Rick, Ola and especially Josh..... Ricky at Vortech we learned a lot from your Igloo.. plus Precision Racecar.. Big Lou and Joey Gambino for setting help the car. Thanks to GeorgeKlass and Marc O'neal and Joe Amato and Downs Ford for getting this project off the ground 1 year ago. Flow tech and Dave Jack....Knowledge is Contagious.....Paul at Manley... Bob at Jesel...and many others.. THANKS

Also for the record Shane i had the same turbo in Florida and Maple groove that I had at Atco... I made that statement with the current turbo I have....and my entire car is completely different from when you saw it last at Maplegroove. Completely...Peter C ,Norris McCoy, Me and Ty have the same style turbo his is just Precision Turbo... when my car left Maplegrove it went straight to the chassis shop and wasn't leaving until it was right and than to the dyno for tuning after the changes we made,, and 1 wasn't the turbo.....

The Big D aka Primetime.

thebigdaddy

08-14-2002, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by NoSlix
Griffey,

Dwayne did get a bigger turbo after he posted thatmonths back! It's not your normal T76 like me and Alex and I think Ty have. The limiting factor on the turbos is not the compressor side......it's the turbine side and the backpressure that's created. Dwayne and Peter have hybrid turbos with big turbines mated to 76mm compressors. You won't see a standard T76 running much over about 158, possibly 160mph. No way will it push a car with our rules to 166mph. Unfortunately, procuring one of those turbos right now is next to impossible for most of us. The NMRA must allow bigger Vortech's now. If they don't, there's something wrong.

Anyone that's wants that turbo can get it from Innovative turbo... 2 1/2 weeks wait. My turbo wasn't an issue in Florida, Maplegroove and I don't want it to be an issue after Atco.. I worked very hard on my entire car...My whole team worked together to go faster for Atco.. Tony best ET 8.83 best mph 160.71.. Qualified #1 @ 8.95. Big Bob Jesel best ET 9.04 best mph 154 these guys are on the team. The secrets I found i shared with the team and it's not a turbo thing, supercharger thing or a NOS thing...when Spence kept posting 9.20@152mph u didn't see Bob on this board complaining... Tony started the season off at Florida going 9.40@149 now he's running 8's @ 160mph that's 11 mph....what are u guys going to say when we step his car up...his car was built to handle a lot of NOS. It's only a progessive 375 shot which averages out to a 250 shot... Let's go back thru the archives I fought for a bigger supercharger.... and I don't even use one. If anybody hurt their chances of getting bigger superchargers it was the guys that run them.. Statements like we need more time to tune our cars, Renegade goes fast with them and 306ci YS 9.20@150...not knocking you Spence but some of your statements made it seem like it was OK... You do represent the superchargers...... The Championship has already been won..Chris Little Back to Back...DR Champ... I said before the season started that we all would be racing for 2nd place.......
Shane don't hate the player....hate the Game!!! Go test and test and test.

Pasttime....:rolleyes:

NJSaleen32

08-14-2002, 01:52 PM

Ditto on the congrats BD! I don't know if you remeber me, but you did the gearing on my car awhile back. I saw you in the staging area and called you to say Hi, but I guess you were preoccupied. Keep up the great work! It's nice to see poeple from NJ kicking some butt!

93MustangLX306

08-14-2002, 02:07 PM

Scott: Only thing I can say is "GET A CLUE", get your facts straight before you go babbling on.

Sorry to be so harsh, but damn, try running a YS with me, henke and cope and you might understand. aint no friggin way a YS can go 163+mph, Vortech will even tell you that. the fastest MPH a YS has gone is 152mph. Sorry to invade your congrats thread BD, but I gots a major chip on my shoulder right now.....hehe.(only cause of the SC rules)

OK, I can relate to you. Let me try and not defend but maybe clarify what i said. I said that Maybe changing the rules to allow bigger power adders isnt the answer. That in no way was directed and any 1 racer. You may be hindered the most by this restriction. I KNOW for a fact that you have been over spinning your YS way over what was rated by Vortech. They are rated to 65,000 rpm's, You have already spun that blower in excess of 72,000 rpm's. And you are doinf that with one of the smaller CI motors in the class. That in itself is amazing, I know you have Tested and tested and Tested more. The blower is maxed.!!!!!

We ALL know that. WHat I am going to say is, that there is nothing limiting you from changing your CI combo. I do understand you are using a 1 off Sonny Bryant(musi) crank. Which makes thins A LOT harder, do to that fact that in order to change combo's and go bigger CI you would have to make major changes, and the cost of a new crank is just not in the cards.

Spence, I have nothing but respect for you, I have followed as many as your posts and tried to abreast to all of your testing as much as I can. You have taken that LIL YS trim Vortech, to power, ET's and MPH that was once never dreamed of. I remember a long while back when you were exstatic to reach 150mph. You have had belt issues over and over, and have fixed them or got around them every time.

I will say this, I would love to see you be able to change combo's and or be able to go to another bigger blower.

My questions are, and this is in no way a shot at you, but IF you were to recieve help from another manufacturer would you change companies, and go with maybe a ATI, or Paxton?

I can only look at things from the outside because I do not pay the bills. I do not even come anywhere close to anyone in Drag Radial. I can only chase and try to become faster with time.
I would love to see you run a bigger blower and compete with the MPH, and the ET's.

I guess what I am trying to say is don't give up!!!! I think it was Spence Hart at the beginning of the season at Bradenton that was runner up, and that YES before the class got much faster, but You were their against the odds.

Have you run your car on slicks yet, If so what has it gone?

I am just wondering if you have Et'd better with the slicks as opposed to the Drag Radials, and if you got around the small under sized YS problem just for piece of mind?

Again, I will say SORRY, I did not want this to turn into a arguement. I would love to see you get the bigger blower, but I just think if the NMRA allowed bigger blowers, at least from Vortech, if others in the class would now have a reason to question things.

Good luck in which ever direction you choose to go, and i hope they allow you the J trim. I would love to see what it would do.

PS: Have you tested a J trim to see if it will get you where you want to go?

Scott Kalisch

JHenke

08-14-2002, 02:43 PM

First off, since last season, it's been common knowledge that the ys is the smallest power adder. Everyone here has agreed it should have been upped to a j-trim for this year, from BD to Chris Little. Even w/ the igloo allowed, it's underpowered. 152 mph. Plain and simple. Scott and Griffey, you reaaly dont have all the facts. Yes, BD brought the house down this weekend. But check his mph from last year.....155-6, something like that. You see a blower do that THIS year? No. BD's credit lies in chassis and a Turbo People supertune. But I'm not arguing turbos.

Check the archives, I said I'll wait till after I run my combo to decide if the ys can compete. Well, my answer is NO. And dont tell me about chassis tuning. I have one of the most consistent 60' cars in the class. Low 1.40's all day. Finding more power, well guess what, Job tunes my car too. You can talk et's all day, we're talking power, that's in mph. Did you know that? MPH, not et. Me, Spence and Cope are battling uphill. Our motors are past blower efficiency. Change over, sorry but Vortech has been very good to me, I'll wait till the fields are leveled.

Griffey

08-14-2002, 04:16 PM

Well I've seen Dan Jaynes go 145 in Renegade with a YS,306,and hyraulic cam at 550.You could have,a belt drive,solid roller,shaft mount rockers AND 54 more cubes.Not to mention whatever else I'm forgetting.That's only worth 7mph?I'm sorry I just think there's alot more that can be had.,Big D proved that if you work harder and get the right parts in the car it will work.The slamfest that went on after Chris went 161 was just the same as now.So since Chris got spanked by 6mph in the final, I think nitrous guys should get canted heads.Sounds good right?

93MustangLX306

08-14-2002, 04:33 PM

Supercharger, Turbo, NOS....

Everyone of these cars in this class is PURPOSE built. If you want to run a turbo run it, if you want to run NOS , run it. Some run a Supercharger for the support they get from Vortech, others NOS for the weight and CI advantage. Others becuase it is their personal preference!!!!!

Changing combo's is VERY exspensive, but NO ONE is stopping anyone from changing combo's nor did anyone MAKE you build the car or combo the racer you wished.

So to say I am just babbling, yeah that hit a nerve with me.

I was, and am a supported of all power adders, Racing is not a cheap sport, nor is it easy. I think everyone will agree that you spend a sizable amount of money testing and testing, and after parts breakage, travel, testing, changing combo's and maintenence of the cars, ANY car it is a investment, but to say I am babbling, Yes I guess I am....

* Your right allow J trims, why not allow X trims or maybe a 1 off turbo design. Everyone in the class knew that the class was going to progress into the 8's and now it is here, and people still complain!!!!

YES, mph is a sign of horse power, I agree, but traction is still a limiting factor.

Well, I guess in that case your saying that the top mph'ers in the class are making gobs more HP, ok well, fair enough build another combo, it SUCKS, but, no one is hindering anyone to change combo's.

But who cares, I am just babbling, and chit, I am just some 22 year old punk, that can't afford a 65,000 dollar car. So you know what, I realized I couldnt compete, And I switched to a class that I can compete in and save a sizable investment.

I wanted to run Drag Radial, But I just couldnt afford it. Thats why we are all not running Pro 50.

It sucks that money is a deciding factor in life, but it is!!!!

This doesnt make me a bad guy, it just makes me a damn babbler, so I guess I started a war now.

Scott K

Kwik92GT

08-14-2002, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Griffey
Well I've seen Dan Jaynes go 145 in Renegade with a YS,306,and hyraulic cam at 550.You could have,a belt drive,solid roller,shaft mount rockers AND 54 more cubes.Not to mention whatever else I'm forgetting.That's only worth 7mph?I'm sorry I just think there's alot more that can be had.,Big D proved that if you work harder and get the right parts in the car it will work.The slamfest that went on after Chris went 161 was just the same as now.So since Chris got spanked by 6mph in the final, I think nitrous guys should get canted heads.Sounds good right?

So, are you trying to say that you think that by Spence or Jim adding 40 cubes or so and maybe make a couple of other changes that they are going to pick up in the neighborhood of 250+ hp? That's what it's going to take to get them from the current 148-152 traps to the 164+ mph range, were not talking 6 mph here, were talking about 12-14 mph!! As jim stated above and what I was getting at in a previous post, mph is hp, I'm not concerned with the ET difference, my concern is in the mph (read hp). The limiting factor in this class is supposed to be the tire, and right now it's not. I don't think DR needs any big sweeping changes, but it does need some tweaking at this point. Laterz.

BTW..... Scott, there's a difference between complainig, and trying to create a more even playing field amongst the different power adders. But, what do I know, I'm just a 35 yr old punk.:rolleyes:

peterc

08-14-2002, 05:10 PM

i agree about the renegade cars... they are going just as fast with more restrictions... i guess you just gotta look at the rules and rethink your options... work with what your given... as far as giving the nitrous cars canted heads... cmon... big d beats chris by 6mph... it was a different story when chris was beating the next fastest car by 6 mph and the rest of the field bye 10 or so. but when one car puts up a good number you cant just give the other cars a weight break or better parts... we just gotta find what we overlooked and big daddy found. you cant penalize the ones who have lots of testing and r & d into their cars

peterc dr10047
8.84 @ 159

Griffey

08-14-2002, 05:15 PM

Chris went 158 in the final.Is that not in range enough?Spence goes 152. That's 6mph and I think that's attainable.Will it go 165?I don't know.Big D went 151 in Bradenton now he's gone 165.The rules need to stay the same to keep the class growing.This class was close to being extinct and look at it now.

You did some pretty good babbling there Scott

Spence

08-14-2002, 05:40 PM

Ok enough already, you guys are right, I have ALOT to learn., I've only spent 2 years finessing this combo, but I guess its not worthy of the potential of this class.

Scott: I apologize for the babbler remark, but alotta false statements in your reply.
No its never been on slicks(purpose built DR car remember?)
Does it really matter that I have a one off custom crank with only 306ci? I think not, as 306ci was good enough to put Jr. Ibanez into the 7s. And FWIW, this short block has been flawless with over 200 passes on it without ever being outta the car(Big Thanks to Dave Kogan at Pat Musi Performance)

My statements/bitching where not directed at any DR racer or there combos, but for the purpose of helping myself try to step up to another level of competition. If any of you think you have what it takes to make a YS setup go 8.80s/164+mph(on radials), I dare you, no I double dog dare you to give it a try..........hehe.

and another thing, I did try to get something going with ATI late last year, but I guess they werent intersted as I could never get a return call. And yes Vortech stepped up and has been a big BIG reason for my success this year...........big thanks Ricky.

so in the end, I will not b!tch, Moan or squeal anymore as all it seems to do it create problems and I rather not see anymore conflict than is already amongst us. See you all in BG.

PS: BD........congrats again and sorry this thread went in the wrong direction.

Kwik92GT

08-14-2002, 05:44 PM

You're right, this class was almost extinct. One of the attractions of this class, at least in my eyes, is, no matter what you choose for a power adder you can have a chance, or at least you should. I really don't see where allowing the J-trim would have this class getting "out of control" or anything like that. I'm not saying there isn't anything at all left in the Vortech combos, I just don't honestly see where they can pick up the 12-14 mph they need to close the gap that exists right now. After a winter of everyone working on their engine programs I don't see how that gap will be filled.

JHenke

08-14-2002, 05:46 PM

So, Griffey, exactly what do you run? You couldn't possibly be as uninformed as your posts indicate, could you? First off, the rules are supposed to give everybody a fair chance. That's all we're looking for. It's been the theme since the end of last year. Are you telling me all the blower guys aren't trying to win?

As far as renegade cars go, let's take a fast ys renegade car and a fast ys radial car. Swap out the ys for an x-trim. I'll bet the radial car makes way more power. At small cubes and hyd. cam the renegade car is much more efficient a motor. Plain and simple. Dont you think it's odd that our blower cars dont get more mph then the renegades considering the solid cams and intercoolers?

You really think 6 mph is attainable, starting at say 150. That's a couple hundred hp. Let everyone else know your little tricks.

Canted heads, smart comment! After this weekend, the turbo cars are now competitive w/ the NOS cars. The blowers just aren't. We're not knocking them, dont knock us. My car was built years ago a Vortech car. It's just too expensive to switch to a turbo or even nitrous. No ones hard work is being overlooked, we're just looking to be competitive.

And one other thing, the tires aren't the limiting factor. Some of the faster cars can just pedal their way out and reel in the others.

peterc

08-14-2002, 05:55 PM

spence... i hope you dont think i said you have alot to learn... i think we all have to figure out what it takes to make it down the 1/4 mile. whether its more power or better hook.. who knows... the imports are doing it with 4 bangers!!

Spence

08-14-2002, 06:08 PM

Not at all Pete. Obvioulsy by the others comments I need to go back to the drawing board. But then again, I do beleive I have the only YS car to go 152mph..........hehehehehe(which means absolutly NOTHING btw.....hehe).

Griffey

08-14-2002, 06:36 PM

I'm not knocking you personally Spence,nor any other YS car.Big D thought his combo was through and it wasn't.I'm just saying that it might be possible for the YS also.Has everything been taken off the table?Is there NO other change to the car that can be made to make it go faster?dyno time,ci, etc..Also since when did MPH win any race?It's about ET and Spence you do one heckuva job with that.That's why you were in the finals twice.

So, Griffey, exactly what do you run?

How about coming to the World Street Finals in Orlando?You can bolt any supercharger you want on and run Drag Radial,I mean after all that's all you need right wise guy?

thebigdaddy

08-14-2002, 06:56 PM

Listen I appluad all of you guys that use superchargers....Listen YS Trims are not on the current power level of the rest of the class. Maybe 2 years ago.. but not now....R J Trims enuff we don't know that either... Radial tire cars r not Renegade cars...engine combos seperate the 2 classes. Because of the solid cams. and intakes and no restrictions on heads. It seperate these 2 classes. Most of you believe that because you get to use a cog belt bigger cam and more port work you'll go faster... The truth is that a engine is a air pump, and a supercharger and a turbo is your air pump. If you build your engine and it needs 2000cfm to run with the class and your air will only provides 1400cfm you'll never get the job done. remember boost is also a restriction... and remember using bigger and smaller pulleys only make these events happen sooner... I Vote for larger superchargers and always have....

the big d aka Primetime

JHenke

08-14-2002, 07:13 PM

Griffey, you never answered the question. As far as Orlando goes, that's been dicussed on here before. Are you running there, in that class? That is truely a class that lets the tires be the limit. Other than that, it's basically anything goes. I'd need more than a bigger blower. We're limited to certain heads in the NMRA, so I'd need maybe a set of TW-R's too.

p.s. I run 332ci, so I dont think 28ci will matter much. And Job Spetter does tune my car on the dyno, so when he says it good, I'll trust him. What were your credentials again?

93MustangLX306

08-14-2002, 07:30 PM

I am sorry as well, I did not and will never knock you. I myself, and just about anyone in the class will most likely apluad you for your valient effort. I would have never thought the undersized Vortech YS would go as fast as you have taken it.

I am with Big D, We need bigger blowers.

I am not sure about all blowers, but definitely the YS.

Big Bob did go 9.0x didnt he, and he has had the testing as well.

Spence, back to the Sonny Bryant crank, I did not mean in bad way, I simply meant it as a reason why you are not so quick to change to a bigger combo. That is a pricey piece, and a rock solid unit to give up in order to step up CI's.

2 years ago this class was not where it is today, but like all racing, and all classes, they progress. And Drag Radial is no different. It has gone big time, and I think that is great. More exspensive but great.

As for slicks, I was just wondering if you could maybe come up with a new idea or maybe find a loop whole that is out there with the slicks. I am NOT trying to tell you what to do or run your car, I was just trying to help find a trick or something.

Again, GREAT class, good luck to all!!!!!

14 mph is just too far out of hand for the YS.....

Scott K

Griffey

08-14-2002, 07:41 PM

Yes and that's why I mentioned it.Anything goes in Orlando.No rules,no excuses.Canted heads,101mm,xxxxxx trim,20 stages of nitrous.Hmm let's see your 4mph behind Spence so Let's get you a rule for a new set of heads.Where's it going to end?Someone will always be quicker.That's racing.You got a fax number I'll send you a resume?

I guess I'll end this here,with the old cliche' "We agree to disagree" and since neither one of us runs or makes the rules for the NMRA it's getting pretty pointless anyway.I would like to see you come to Orlando it really is a great event.Over 50 cars tried to qualify for the 32 car field last year.The more the merrier,especially Mustangs.(It's really a biased Chevy crowd)

itsslo

08-14-2002, 09:24 PM

You guys ruined big daddy's congrats post. If you want to ***** and whine about it start another thread. What BD did in d/r this weekend was awesome plain and simple not only his times but helping out a fellow racer in need and then facing him in the end.

Now back to the Real topic of this thread.

Congrats BD on your amazing weekend at atco and hope you do better at bowling green and who knows maybe we'll see 170 mph out of that car:eek:

p.s. i am not a d/r racer altho i have become a big fan of it sinse last yar at atco. All ofyou d/r racer have awesome cars and i applaud everyone of you for doing what you are doing but to be honest all this bitching and moaning makes me not even want o come by and look at your cars at events, you might start to complain that i am looking at your motors:D

Jacsracing

08-15-2002, 06:23 AM

Just want to say congrats to BD on your phenominal performance last weekend, and to all the other great racers in DR. While we weren't competitive for our DR debut, the experience was still great. We'll be attending select DR races from now on and right now the wheels are turning for a more competitive engine. In the mean time, we're helping fill the ranks and getting some great driving experience for Angela. One cool class with very classy drivers. John.

NoSlix

08-15-2002, 12:03 PM

Correction: I was given incorrect information when I called ITS about that turbo's availability after Maple Grove. At the time I was told it wasn't available, but Josh at ITS informed me that it has been available for a couple of months.

SHOWTIME

08-15-2002, 12:51 PM

peter c if you are trying to email its clittle@cablespeed.com

Bud89GT

08-15-2002, 08:30 PM

BD, Congrats! Wish I could have been there for you in the pits and help a liitle more, but duty calls. (you know me...no sleep) I KNEW you were going to do something great!!

Congrats to the rest of the Outrageous team Tony (punk) and Big Bob for stellar performances.

Nothing like a team victory on home turf.
:D

Earle

now, lets bleach then restock that pos fridge of yours and get to work!!!! :)

Bobo

08-15-2002, 09:21 PM

Spence, wanna borrow my 347 rotating assembly? Oh the crank will need balancing and just a lil work where it got into a fight with the thrust bearing :D You could see if all this ci talk has any merit ;) Maybe Ricky could let ya borrow a J or X for BG so you could do some "testing"? .....just ask the NMRA guys for a one race "waiver".....that's what people do at my lil hick track when they show up with illegal parts :cool:

Juice

08-15-2002, 09:32 PM

TEAM OUTRAGEOUS

#1 Qual. Big Tony
#2 Qual. Big Bob
#3 Qual. Big D

Tony running a 8.83! Big D breaking records & taking the "BELT" back! Bob running a 9.04!

THE BOYS ARE BACK IN TOWN!!!!!!!
Coming to a track near YOU!!

Sunsational

08-16-2002, 07:15 PM

Bro, I'm not sure which "BELT" your talkin' about but the real "BELT" is the championship. Quick ET's and Fast MPH's are great for bench racing and winter time but CHAMPIONSHIPS are what racing is about. Peace.

Bud89GT

08-16-2002, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Sunsational
Quick ET's and Fast MPH's are great for bench racing and winter time but CHAMPIONSHIPS are what racing is about. Peace.

Uh...no, the championship is one of the "belts". World record ET's & MPH's is the "belt" just as desired (at times even more).

Bud.

Sunsational

08-17-2002, 04:32 AM

Bud, I have to disagree with you. You ask any true professional racer, whether it be NHRA, IHRA, NMRA, Fun Ford, NASCAR, SCCA, IRL, CART the list goes on whether they would rather be world record holders or Champions and I guarentee you they say the Championship. The nirvana would be to accomplish both the world record and the championship. However, I would gladly give up any record to be #1.

Anyway, congrats BD it was a great weekend for you but I hope you can make some more power out of that Thumper for BG cause' the rumors are flyin' about the green machine.

thebigdaddy

08-17-2002, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by Sunsational
Bud, I have to disagree with you. You ask any true professional racer, whether it be NHRA, IHRA, NMRA, Fun Ford, NASCAR, SCCA, IRL, CART the list goes on whether they would rather be world record holders or Champions and I guarentee you they say the Championship. The nirvana would be to accomplish both the world record and the championship. However, I would gladly give up any record to be #1.

Anyway, congrats BD it was a great weekend for you but I hope you can make some more power out of that Thumper for BG cause' the rumors are flyin' about the green machine.

Funny in Florida it was just a turbo,, in Maplegrove it was still just a Turbo, now after Atco it's called a thumper.. You get an A in History...
Turbo History 101....First of all if any of you call any Turbo Company around the world and as for a Thumper and what does it mean..they will tell you it's no such thing. Call Harry at Precision and ask him for a Thumper and see what response you get... Fact: When Racin Jasin came on the seen with his twin turbo mustang they outlawed him then a few other followed and they were outlawed also. So Job Sr. told every in every race organization if you make me go to a single turbo I will only go faster, they all laughed and said it will never happen, and it definitely won't spool. Well 8 years later look what happened they spool, they set records, they win races,,And championships ,to sum it all up the word Thumper means:: From the Professor himself Thump that A$$... A term use to give a name to the birth of a New Single Race Turbo made and developed with Bob at turbonetics and Job Sr for Racin Jasin and given the name "Thumper" which is used only really by Turbonetics... You can't call Harry at Precision and ask for a Thumper...
So saying that in the future I would like my Turbo to be refer to as the "Terminator" T-76 a word used to describe a new series of Race Turbos design to level the playing field that was once dominated by NOS cars. NOS cars have won every race in the NMRA since the introduction of this class having a Championship, with points and contingency. 7 straight races.. Currently there r 4 Cars in Drag Radial using them...stay tuned... Tony Curto 392ci Nos car out of Outrageous will reset my record during Qualifying(8.719@165.09) @ Bowling Green.. 8.95@160.71 at Atco untuned with a 375 shot..Then during elimination I will reset that record.....It takes an entire car to go down the track, not just the horsepower of the engine... We'll be ready....

Terminator X MD.....

Bud89GT

08-17-2002, 08:57 PM

SHOWTIME

08-17-2002, 11:05 PM

IF MD APPLIES TO ME DONT WORRY I KNOW I CANT KEEP UP WITH THE TERMINATOR SO Y GO. DONE FOR THE YEAR GOTTA FIND A PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR. GOTTA REPAIR ALL THOSEEEE BROKEN PARTS I RUINED TRYING TO KEEP UP.LOL

thebigdaddy

08-18-2002, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by SHOWTIME
IF MD APPLIES TO ME DONT WORRY I KNOW I CANT KEEP UP WITH THE TERMINATOR SO Y GO. DONE FOR THE YEAR GOTTA FIND A PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR. GOTTA REPAIR ALL THOSEEEE BROKEN PARTS I RUINED TRYING TO KEEP UP.LOL

First of all MD stands for Mac Daddy..Not for the state Maryland..And second it wont cost you half as much money as it cost me to make up that 6mph difference you had on me for 7seven races.. It's time for you to get that fogger on that car...

It's because of all those dawn NOS cars winning everything made me spend 20k that i didn't have..and I intend to get it all back...plus I had to build a NOS car so that they wont slack off and say they need weight breaks, better heads, and plates and foggers..to compete.....that 20k I spend made me have a chip on my shoulder :D . You see me and Tony r from the same area and we use to street race all the time. He has his crowd of young bucks that praise him and everytime he goes faster than me the $hitz starts to really fly around here....So now I've force him to step up a little. He know's he can go as fast as me So does John from NX express....Now I just have to ride his a$$ around his boyz and everytime i see him..just get under his skin alittle and he'll turn it up.....see u @ BG..

Terminator X MD

thebigdaddy

08-18-2002, 08:01 AM

What did u do with all those winnings anyway? You could have loan a Bro some of that....:mad: lol....

TerminatorX MD

SHOWTIME

08-18-2002, 08:32 AM

I STILL HAVE A FEW CHECKS TUCKED AWAY. BUT THATS NOT ENOUGH TO GAIN 6 MPH.
SEE YA IN BRADENTON 2003 MAYBE
MODMOTOR WONDER WHAT KINDA WEIGHT BREAK I CAN GET?

peterc

08-18-2002, 06:54 PM

chris... let me know when u decide to put a mod motor in...i'll do one too. when they figure out the weight breaks..nmra will prob make the mods weigh 2700 for nos... 3700 for turbo / blower. i spent quite a bit trying to catch your mph and still failed... getting there though. sitting out bg? thats no fun.. looks like i'll have to beat on big d the terminator for you... just kidding dwayne.. talk to you guys later
peters dr10047

p.s. when do the new rules come out? anyone know

thebigdaddy

08-18-2002, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by peterc
[B]chris... let me know when u decide to put a mod motor in...i'll do one too. when they figure out the weight breaks..nmra will prob make the mods weigh 2700 for nos... 3700 for turbo / blower. i spent quite a bit trying to catch your mph and still failed... getting there though. sitting out bg? thats no fun.. looks like i'll have to beat on big d the terminator for you... just kidding dwayne.. talk to you guys later
peters dr10047

p.s. when do the new rules come out? anyone know [/B

So Peter C what was that ET u ran at Fun Ford this weekend 8.7? Listen don't listen to C Little he'll be in BG trust me. He's not going to take that lose lying down he's to competitive..... But I owed him 1 from Englishtown. He treed me 5.17 to a 5.71...9.02 to a 9.07.... Bowling Green should be a very tuff race. To many cars running to close together. First round acto Big Bob 9.04@ 153.47 C Little 9.53@ 122 gets Big bob 1st round Bob doesn't make the call Chris runs a 9.05@156... My first run if I had a faster car that round my 9.81@159 might have sent me home early.. You run 8.84@ 159 Friday nite and than don't run no where near the 8' Saturday of Sunday....Get it together son.... U let Chris spank that butt...

TerminatorX..AKA BIG DADDY AKA Primetime...