NMRA keep H/S REAL!

[SuperLX]

This weekend is the PRI show.I hope NMRA keeps this class true to its roots.The class is getting progressively closer in ET,which in itself is great.What the class doesn't need is for guys to show up in 25-1c cars---hello is anybody home! no offense to Bill + Chris but you guys are almost 2 secs off the pace for the cert of your car,your car and ones like it are overkill for the class.Tubs and notchin are not needed for 28x10's.Kind of reminds me of Les Baer when he showed up with a 'pro stock' car.Soooo where the frig is Les these days!! thanks for ruinin Pro 5.0 it was fine before you showed up.Just because you build it doesn't mean you should be allowed to race in the class.

BTW congrats to Booze and Co. for showing up with a 'stock' car and winning the crown.At least some people keep it real.

[Stangfireman]

Thought I'd let you know that Billy and Chris seem to be going SSO racing next year. So you're safe. LOL

[SuperLX]

I'm not complaining,just stating my opinion,I wish them the best of luck in SSO.They actually don't need any luck,they are a hard working crew.

[Stangfireman]

I never took your comments as a complaint. Sorry if I came across that I thought that.
And yes, they have a very good crew. Including the ladies that cook those damn good meals! And Billy's mudslides aren't too bad either. ;)

[Adam Culpepper]

"Kind of reminds me of Les Baer when he showed up with a 'pro stock' car."

Les Baer ran faster than he ever had before with that chassis, and dominated the season. the chassis was legal and he made the most of it. anyone who doesnt take advantage of the rules doesnt want to win, or is just stupid. either condition precludes them from a successful career in motorsports.

"Soooo where the frig is Les these days!!"

currently, Baer is devoting more time to work.

"thanks for ruinin Pro 5.0 it was fine before you showed up."

hahaha. do you honestly believe that Pro was fine before he showed up, and that he is the only reason the class is hurting now? or are you saying that if Baer hadnt built that car and capitalized on the rulebook, that no one else ever would have?

well, which is it?

[PBMracing]

SuperLX,

Our car is only certed to 7.50. The advanced ET cert costs additional monies and must be performed more frequently, but you are correct that it is built to those specs.

I am confused a bit about the tubs and Notches.... Our old girl had split wheelhouses which are actually LARGER than our current cars sheet metal tubs, as well as notched frame rails...

H/s rules mirror those of SSO in the chassis department. Billy and I had planned all along to go into SSO one day, that was the purpose for building the new car the way it was built. Jason Smith and Vern House of Performance Automotive are a huge help to our entire program, and they know that chassis combination well.

I think we also proved that the stock suspension in the old girl works almost as well as the ladder bars at THAT power level. The chassis did change the combination a touch, and we were definitely headed towards getting that ironed out very soon. We transplanted the entire engine, transmission, and centersection into the new girl and our E.T's remained virtually the same. In all honesty, the newer car is less attractive in my eyes concerning the rearward facing airpan rule as compared to what an earlier car is due to the winshield angle. Im sure John Tymensky would also be happy to tell you also how nose heavy the newer body style cars are, and that is a topic for another discussion.

H/s is an awesome class for parity and performances. I love the high rpm small blocks singing at full song! The competitors there are very friendly and helpful people. I hope to see H/s continue with all of the success it has had to date and even more.

Todd is correct, we are headed to SSO for 2003. We felt a need to redo our combination to have what it takes to chase another championship in H/s and chose instead to build for SSO now. I keep hearing of more and more h/s cars being built by some people with years and years of racing experience. Expect the class to continue on as your know it..... Tight competition, friendly racers, and lots and lots of RPM!

Chris

[bad ass windsor]

Chris,

Just got in from the PRI Show and have just seen the post about you guys heading to SSO for 2003. I was told by Matt that Billy never showed up to talk with him. Man, I thought we were going to have some burndowns at the tree but it seems like that won't happen. The last time we talked you never mentioned anything about heading to SSO. We are going to be ready to debut our new girl at the start of the 2003 season with our NEW DART POWERPLANT under the hood. Even though I will be a rookie my crew and I hope to make some noise in the class. Wish you guys were still going to compete in H/S but I wish you guys the best in SSO because I know you guys will make some noise over there. If there is anything I can help you with please feel free to call me you have my number. Just wanted to let everyone know that the crew at PBM Racing are real hard workers and are the ones that set the bar for everyone else in the class to work even harder to be able to compete and make the racing in the H/S class even closer and I would also like to congratulate Brian Booze and his crew on their championship in 2002.

Mysterious H/S Rookie

[PBMracing]

Hey Mysterious....

The Dome swung bye a few times, and the lines were WAY deep. Didnt want to interrupt, business is business ya know! Guess that is what happens when you make such a kick azz product!

Thanks for the kind words,

Ill call ya this week!

Chris

[andydallas]

I'm confused why people think Les Baer 'ruined' Pro 5.0 because he built a car within the rules. He did what any smart racer would do, go throught he rules word by word, and have a car built that took full advantage of those rules.

After that season Pro 5.0 quickly went to full tube chassis cars, which put the car at a disadvantage, and Les stopped racing (also because by then to be competive in Pro 5.0 you needed to take a team to the race, many times Les went to the race with only Karen to help)

I bought the car from Les, and took it out a few times last year as a nitrous car in FFW S/O, but couldn't devote the time to get the car anywhere close to its potential. I have taken a year off of work so that I can run the full 2003 season in S/O, but as a turbo car.

Funny, you don't hear anyone say that John Force "ruined" funny car,,,sucessful racers push the other racers to work harder, and increase competition,,thats what Les did, and if you know him you also know he works 20+ hours a day (no joke) on whatever he is doing.

andy

[90GT398]

well now that my friends are moving up a class,I have to find someone to root for in Hot Street. To me as far as the big dollar classes go,Hot Street is very real,real being cars that look like something you could drive on the street and not get pulled over,yeah some of the paint jobs are out there,but it is a great class,Pro that is another subject for arguement LOL, I like and will always support the Hot Street class. Now if they could just run all the finals together. :)

[Tom Pearson]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 90GT398
To me as far as the big dollar classes go,Hot Street is very real,real being cars that look like something you could drive on the street and not get pulled over


I know a lot of people like to throw out the b.s flag when I say this but I do! not very long trips… Just ask my the people that live around me:eek: My car has always been taged and insured you
know just incase.


Good luck PBM:) it gets cheaper from here right:p

[Andy Johnson]

SuperLX, I would first like to say that there is NOTHING STOCK about a Hot Street car. I race in the NMRA's Pure Street class
(when my car is together) and there is very little that is stock in my class. Insuating that Billy and Chris's new ride is overkill for Hot Street is ludicrous. You should famliarize yourself with the article on the Hardcore50 website that describes where they came from and how long and hard they worked to get where they are now. Billy and Chris went rounds and won the Championship last year because of hard work, ingenuity, and perseverance. I wish I had half their knowledge and drive when it comes to working on my own sh*t. If you think Billy and Chris brought Hot Street down, you are sadly mistaken. There is however another team who did very, very well this year and who spent lots more than Billy and Chris. I am by know means taking anything away from other H/S racers. I am merely stating that Hot Street, like all other heads up classes will get more expensive as the cars go progressively faster and that is not the fault of one single race team or driver. If these guys work as hard on SS/O as they did in H/S, they will soon be a team to be reckoned with.

[SuperLX]

Adam, the class(Pro 5.0) was fine before the car showed up.WFC 1 had over 32 cars show up and the last WFC had how many?? point taken.Of course you cant go back because the rule makers have done their deed.Pro 5.0 has turned into a come as you come class, very little rules but smaller classes get teched from hell,WTF??

am I missing something? they changed the rules 2x and I remember Doug Mangrum getting screwed just for that reason.He had to put the car back to stock front section then the next year they switched it back and he had to redo the car-WOW-i feel for you Doug.Its very ez to solve--keep LIMITATIONS on the rules,look down the road not just for next year--thats all I'm stating--keep HS real! lets not ruin a class for the sake of ET alone.The way I see it,HS is growing(more people building,more cars)because racers see a chance to get into a competitive class and keeping rule changes to a minor upgrade,unfortunately this didn't happen in Pro 5.0--that class shouldn't have went bigger than 12 inch tire IMHO.

[90GT398]

lot of good points being brought up here,lot of good points. But I have to tell you,if I was going to build a Hot Street caliber car(like I will one day) it is going to be purpose built,and that purpose is going to be to dominate,if I am going to put the coin in it,it is going to be in the top 5.

I see nothing wrong with a purpose built car,and let's not forget a lot of people have called Les a 1 hit wonder(me included) but I forgot about that 82 Mustang GT he had he won a gold ring with,and that is my own ignorance I admit that and eat my words for the 1 hit wonder comment.

As far as what has bruised Pro 5.0,well here I go kicking a dead horse but look at the name of that title "5.0" that's all I will say. Yes I know technology has a lot to do with it,but that technology could have been put into 8.2 deck 302.

[RMS Racing]

It's been interesting reading what everyone has to say on these subjects and I thought I'd through in my 2 cents. First off, when I saw Billy and Chris's new car I said to myself, "man is that stupid." But now I have to retract that statement because obviously they built the car with the intentions of going SSO racing which makes since. The main problem I saw with building a car like that for HS was the fact that a 25.1C car will never be needed. To me it's just a bunch of extra weight in roll cage tubing that is not needed. Now on the subject of ruining Pro 5.0..............I don't think Les ruined the class, I just think that he sent it in a direction that it didn't need to go. If you think about it, when he built that car it started the movement to full tube chassis cars and along with that came a higher price tag for running Pro and more maintenance. It's a simple fact that people just cannot aford to run Pro now. Personally, if I was going to spend that much money on a race car, I'd build a IHRA Pro Stock car instead or maybe even a NHRA Pro Stock car. I just don't see spending that much money on a Pro 5.0 car smart when there are 3-4 car fields and no publicity, instead build a Pro Stock car and run in 16 car fields and be on TV. Just my opinion, not like it means much. Looking forward to HS next year. Will be our first time running anything heads up.

Matt Rogers

[Adam Culpepper]

"Adam, the class(Pro 5.0) was fine before the car showed up.WFC 1 had over 32 cars show up and the last WFC had how many?? point taken."

the point is NOT taken. there was something wrong with the class. all of the cars in it were below the potential the rulebook allowed. EVERY SINGLE PRO RACER saw the kind of car that the book allowed, but none of them wanted to build it because they figured that no one else was going to force the issue. Baer did, and everyone else lost. boo hoo.

you honestly believe this is Baer's fault? i think the blame should be placed on all the other racers before him.

[PBMracing]

Seems to me if there is to be blame, why not blame the rules makers for allowing something that wasnt what the class was running?

Chris

[90GT398]

for the record when that car showed up,it was illegal at the first race because of the fender shape,only thing Les had to do was re-shape the fenders and go on from there.

If anyone wanted to beat Les when he had that car Billy was definitely capable,Billy was running 7.70's on W tires compared to Les' 7.60's on 14x32 tires. But this was all back in 99.

[andydallas]

I sure never heard anyone respected in the Pro 5.0 ranks call Les a "one hit wonder",,,

and I'd watch out, you never know when, or in what class, he might show up in, sometime in the future


andy

[90GT398]

Originally posted by 90GT398


I see nothing wrong with a purpose built car,and let's not forget a lot of people have called Les a 1 hit wonder(me included) but I forgot about that 82 Mustang GT he had he won a gold ring with,and that is my own ignorance I admit that and eat my words for the 1 hit wonder comment.



as I said I re-canted the statement :)

[SuperLX]

andy j, my reference for 'stock' is in comparsion to a run of the mill avg. HS car compared to a 25c spec car.You stated that some one else spent more than them.Well I didn't know building a new style car to C spec was cheap these days.I have nothing personal against them but the class doesn't need cars like that.Once you open the flood gates expect lots to drown.

[90GT398]

very good thread here lot of good points,but there was more than one car in Hot Street with a 25.1D tag on it,I know of at least one more,and that car belongs to Cory Roth,told me his car was good for 7.50's at FFW Ennis 2001,I had never seen a 25.1D car that close until then,and had it explained to me. I thought the purpose of putting all the extra tubing in it was to stiffen it up to launch better?

MHO build it so you can step up later,instead of selling it,and starting all over.

[andydallas]

25-1 really is just a roll cage spec by NHRA,,and if you want to run faster than 7:50, or over 180 mph (now, or somewhere down the road), you should get the car to 25-1 specs

depending on the car, some cars are extremely hard to be 'upgraded' to 25.1,,especially if they didn't have it in mind when the car was built,,so for a new cars its best to start that way

even if I was not going to run faster than 7:50, I'd prefer to be in a 25-1 cage in case of a problem

90GT398, my comment about Les not being a "one hit wonder' was not aimed at you,,someone else had talked about how they believed he was a one hit wonder, you were very clear in what you said (and most people don't remember the 82, which Les still has)

andy

[Evil89]

I cant wait till FL this year we are putting together a wicked combo ! I want to see how it stacks up against the big dogs. This is my 1st year in heads up , in my opinion heads up is real drag racing!!!! and im ready to rumble :mad: