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Ok this may sound trivial or stupid, but with all the sweeping changes in this class, why is there still a spec fuel rule? I mean shouldn't these "entry level street cars" be allowed to run regular pump gas 93/94 octane? Im not familiar with how you test the fuels but surely there is a way to test for this. I mean if this is all about slowing the class down and keeping it "entry level" and appealing for the local guy who can only make 2 races a season and DRIVES HIS CAR to the race..........why should he have to run race gas?
Fast Orange
12-25-2005, 11:39 AM
Pump gas is sooo inconsistant, it can't be tested...
I think it's NMRA intent to keep the top competitive cars from adding "Stuff" to their feul (ie: horse power). Yes, this is one reason this class will never draw very many local racers.
Thats my point. They changed alot to try and make the class more appealing to local racers, but for me to want to drive to the track, drain the tank(and hope its dry enough so I will pass a fuel check) And then have to pay the membership fee to be and NMRA member and the entry fee all the while not knowing if my fuel will be tainted fromthe pumpgas that was previously in the tank....
Larry Geddes
12-26-2005, 05:15 PM
You just can't get all the old fuel out of the tank, unless you have a drain plug.
The local guy sure won't have one????
I mean I guess you can put a plug in it, but then you need something to drain it into, and overall just kind of a hassle to race an entry level class. I dunno maybe its just me.
All Im saying is that for all the changes they made to the class in an effort to get more racers in, I think rules like this discourage local guys, who can make a race or two, from entering the class.
F/S6085
12-29-2005, 11:01 PM
this is an issue that's been disputed time and time again. i wish they would let us run pump gas. it's cheaper for one and my car runs better with it. maybe they should make you run spec fuel if your car runs a certain ET. say... 11.99 or faster, you have to run spec fuel. that way it keeps the faster guys from "adding" anything to their fuel like larry said. here is a sinario: a car qualifies with a 12.20. NMRA does not have to check his fuel. 1st round eliminations and he runs 11.97. NMRA checks his fuel to see if it measures up to spec fuel. let's say it doesn't. NMRA disqualifies car for non-compliance with the rules. how does that sound. pretty simple to me. what do ya'll think?
this is an issue that's been disputed time and time again. i wish they would let us run pump gas. it's cheaper for one and my car runs better with it. maybe they should make you run spec fuel if your car runs a certain ET. say... 11.99 or faster, you have to run spec fuel. that way it keeps the faster guys from "adding" anything to their fuel like larry said. here is a sinario: a car qualifies with a 12.20. NMRA does not have to check his fuel. 1st round eliminations and he runs 11.97. NMRA checks his fuel to see if it measures up to spec fuel. let's say it doesn't. NMRA disqualifies car for non-compliance with the rules. how does that sound. pretty simple to me. what do ya'll think?
Honestly, I think that's an awful idea for alot of reasons. How about a guy that shows up with illegal fuel, and doesn't go fast. He's not caught but knocks the number 6 qualifier down to number 7 and now they are on the bottom half of the ladder. The guy that should have been at number six now has to face number 1 in the first round. Not very fair to that guy. Especially if he happens to be in the points race.
Ken
F/S6085
01-02-2006, 07:21 PM
Honestly, I think that's an awful idea for alot of reasons. How about a guy that shows up with illegal fuel, and doesn't go fast.
if he doesn't break the et cutoff, then his fuel is not illegal.
He's not caught but knocks the number 6 qualifier down to number 7 and now they are on the bottom half of the ladder.
first of all, if someone runs a faster et than you then you're gonna get knocked down the latter. that's racing. second, he doesn't have to worry about being caught if he didn't run faster than the cutoff et. if he did run faster than the cutoff, then the NMRA would check his fuel. if it passes then he is not illegal. if he doesn't then he goes home.
The guy that should have been at number six now has to face number 1 in the first round. Not very fair to that guy. Especially if he happens to be in the points race.
once again, this is what happens when you race at a national event. it's not unfair if someone runs faster than you as long as they are within the rules.
if he doesn't break the et cutoff, then his fuel is not illegal.
first of all, if someone runs a faster et than you then you're gonna get knocked down the latter. that's racing. second, he doesn't have to worry about being caught if he didn't run faster than the cutoff et. if he did run faster than the cutoff, then the NMRA would check his fuel. if it passes then he is not illegal. if he doesn't then he goes home.
once again, this is what happens when you race at a national event. it's not unfair if someone runs faster than you as long as they are within the rules.
You just don't get it. Maybe I need to break it down for you in terms you can understand.
Take 2 5.0 combo's. They are set up exactly the same. We will call them driver A and driver B
Driver A has been showing to every race and averages 12.0's
Driver B is coming to his first event of the year and runs 12.0's in FS trim
Driver A qualifies at 12.1 at the next race with legal spec fuel. He qualifies number 7 of 12. This is the worst spot on the ladder
Driver B qualifies at 12.09 at the same race with non-spec fuel, but since he's above the 11.99 cutouff, he doesn't need to be checked. He qualifies 6.
With the above scenerio, driver B used a non spec fuel which possibly could have given him an advantage over driver A. But under your proposed rule, it's ok. Now driver A is pissed because he's been using spec fuel because he's right on the edge of getting checked. He shows up to all the races and is trying to finish top 10. Because of your rule, the guy that showed up for one race with non spec fuel put a big wrench in the season of driver A.
If driver B would have been using spec fuel, would he have qualified in front of Driver A? Who knows, it's possible.
That's why your rule is not fair and that's why your rule will never be considered. It screws the guy in the middle of the pack.
F/S6085
01-03-2006, 02:05 PM
it seems to me that driver A had the same oportunity as driver B to run either spec fuel or pump gas. driver A should never get pissed at another driver if he was within the rules.
let's say that they both ran spec fuel and the same scenario happened. would driver A still be pissed cause he got beat by someone that only showed up to one event? that's how it goes. once again, that's racing.
imho there is no reason that FS should have to run spec fuel. that's just my .02. you may think different and so may others, but i won't hold that against you.
it seems to me that driver A had the same oportunity as driver B to run either spec fuel or pump gas. driver A should never get pissed at another driver if he was within the rules.
let's say that they both ran spec fuel and the same scenario happened. would driver A still be pissed cause he got beat by someone that only showed up to one event? that's how it goes. once again, that's racing.
imho there is no reason that FS should have to run spec fuel. that's just my .02. you may think different and so may others, but i won't hold that against you.
You're entitled to your opinion. But if you don't want to run spec fuel, there's always Open Comp. Why are you so intent on running F/S without spec fuel if you're that far off the pace anyway?
Ken
Fast Orange
01-03-2006, 05:02 PM
Street cars should stay on the Street, and leave the racing to the race cars!!! :D :D :eek:
F/S6085
01-03-2006, 05:16 PM
You're entitled to your opinion. But if you don't want to run spec fuel, there's always Open Comp. Why are you so intent on running F/S without spec fuel if you're that far off the pace anyway?
Ken
FS is SUPPOSED to be the entry level class. i just don't think that we should have to run spec fuel in an entry level class. like i said before, this is a subject that has been argued time and time again. i don't think they will ever change anything. i was just trying to come up with a solution for the people that want or have to drive to the race so they don't have to worry about getting dq'd because of the fuel issue.
Bob Cosby
01-03-2006, 05:23 PM
Street cars should stay on the Street, and leave the racing to the race cars!!! :D :D :eek:
Now you tell me! ;)
On the spec fuel...I have never had a valve - I just disconnected the the fuel line from the shraeder valve near the stock fuel rail and then cycled the switch.
As for getting the pump gas out before a race....well, somehow I managed to get enough out before every race. Basically, I drove the car till it was as low as I felt comfortable driving it. Then I disconnected the fuel line, ran it into a container, and cycled the key till the pump was hardly spitting any fuel. Once at the track, I'd fill her up with 5 gallons (minimum) of spec fuel and go race.
It is a hassle, but its part of class racing, so we all put up with it. :)
Morepower
01-03-2006, 05:39 PM
FS is SUPPOSED to be the entry level class. i just don't think that we should have to run spec fuel in an entry level class. like i said before, this is a subject that has been argued time and time again. i don't think they will ever change anything. i was just trying to come up with a solution for the people that want or have to drive to the race so they don't have to worry about getting dq'd because of the fuel issue.
Even if FS is an entry level class, that does NOT mean it is a CHEAP class to run! (no such thing as cheap heads up racing!) You could drive your car to the track on Spec fuel......:eek:
F/S6085
01-03-2006, 06:22 PM
Even if FS is an entry level class, that does NOT mean it is a CHEAP class to run! (no such thing as cheap heads up racing!) You could drive your car to the track on Spec fuel......:eek:
i never said anything about FS, or any class for that matter, being cheap. everyone knows racing aint cheap.
lxgoes10s
01-19-2006, 02:52 PM
people racing in a heads up class the slowest or the fastest need to have rule's to go by spec fuel is a good idea if the rule wasnt there than the fast car's would just be faster they could use c25 or propolineoxcide and that wouldnt be fair to the local guy that wants to have fun just put the fuel in and go race not a big enougf problem to wine about
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