turbo cars

[CHRIS TUTEN]

well the gavel has come down, you have to put a muffler on your wastegate. ablsolutely pointless (it is not an advantage nor disadvantage) in my opinion but thats the way the rules are wrote. also for your info a turbo is not considered a muffler. this i do not understand.

merriam-webster online:
muffler: 1a: a scarf worn around the neck b: something that hides or disquises.
2: a devise to deaden noise; especially : one forming part of the exhaust sysem of an automotive vehicle.


oviously 1a doesnt apply. nor does 1b (well a turbo looks innocent but does HIDE alot of power,lol).
now unless i cant read, a turbo definately falls into the definition of 2. it definately deadens noise and is most certainly forms part of the exhaust system. so my question is, why cant the turbo be a muffler? i dont see why 1 part cant serve 2 purposes? heck, engine oil does. it lubricates the rotating parts and cools the bottom of the pistons. tires, help a car roll and also can help make a car hook. you get my point?
i figure this can be an interesting discussion without things getting out of hand. what do you guys think?

[SHOWTIME]

I dont understand the crying whe the blower cars have the turbo cars by a tenth. You cant have a hole in your bumper whaa
You must have mufflers on your wastegates whaa
turbo cars must weigh 3450 whaa
I thought my 2 year old twins cried alot. The only people on hear should be crying are the nitrous cars. But there are none.

[crapr6]

Ah Oh, i hope i didnt start anything Chris from my thread i started about wastegate. What you said does make sence about a turbo "acting" like a muffler. Not to be a jerk or anything, but using a "straight thru" design muffler like the bullet, or say a flowmaster outlaw race muffler cause alot of backpressure, or loss of HP? I mean will it kill say 40hp using these types of mufflers then compared to running a open downpipe?
Erik

[D1-R Stocker]

What if you have 2 wastegates? Now you have to tie the two together so as not to exceed the "maximum 2 muffler" deal?

I'm with CL, Whaa.

[jchamp]

The crying isn't so bad. It's the behind the scenes whining that sucks!BooHoo

[chip provenza]

Whats up with the new measurements on the 88mm turbos?

[SHOWTIME]

also called Silencer, device through which the exhaust gases from an internal-combustion engine are passed to suppress the airborne noise of the engine. To be efficient as a sound silencer, a muffler must decrease the velocity of the exhaust gases and either absorb the sound waves or cancel them by interference with reflected waves coming from the same source.

A typical sound-absorbing…


Check it out. http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9054148?query=muffler&ct=

[D1-R Stocker]

I still need your shipping address Chip.:)

[331cobra]

Whats up with the new measurements on the 88mm turbos?

They figured we still needed more turbo to keep up with those huge new X-trims!!:D

There was a misprint in the original rules on the compresor cover opening. I e-mailed TB several months ago and told him to change it.....I guess he forgot.

The was no change to the size of the compressor wheel......it is still 88mms. They had the opening of the compressor cover smaller than 88mms in the original rules which would be impossible.

[331cobra]

well the gavel has come down, you have to put a muffler on your wastegate. ablsolutely pointless (it is not an advantage nor disadvantage) in my opinion but thats the way the rules are wrote. also for your info a turbo is not considered a muffler. this i do not understand.

merriam-webster online:
muffler: 1a: a scarf worn around the neck b: something that hides or disquises.
2: a devise to deaden noise; especially : one forming part of the exhaust sysem of an automotive vehicle.


oviously 1a doesnt apply. nor does 1b (well a turbo looks innocent but does HIDE alot of power,lol).
now unless i cant read, a turbo definately falls into the definition of 2. it definately deadens noise and is most certainly forms part of the exhaust system. so my question is, why cant the turbo be a muffler? i dont see why 1 part cant serve 2 purposes? heck, engine oil does. it lubricates the rotating parts and cools the bottom of the pistons. tires, help a car roll and also can help make a car hook. you get my point?
i figure this can be an interesting discussion without things getting out of hand. what do you guys think?

Chris, quit sugar coating your posts and tell everyone how you really feel......THIS IS COMPLETE ********!!! SOMEONE IS JUST TRYING TO STIR UP ****!!!!!!!!!!

Putting a muffler on a wastegate is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. I guess the officials are not going to let anyone run who has a small exaust leak now???????

The exaust housing on a turbo is 10 times more of a muffler than what any of the blower cars run. Why do you think turbo cars are so quiet???? Any non turbo car want to compare backpressure readings with my car to see which "muffler" is restricting more???????

[travers]

guys common, last year i found eveyone in this class to be helpful and very cool, now it seems like everyone turning against each other.we all decide on thing or the other for our setups and thats our choice. yeah i think having a muffler on a wastegate is stupid. but it should not f up the entire class.
anyway, anyone decided the best way to get this done, i guess i'm going to need one too

i can see it now, after each race guys will be looking under each others cars to find that little bit of lack around the exhaust and screaming, he's illegal, i found a leak.

this is supposed to be fun, this looks like a fun ford forum and that is why they don't have the car counts we get. at least for now

[oRaNgeT-76]

Damn turbo cars .........always making too much noise out of the burn out box

A wise man told me to watch out for this kind of BS

[CHRIS TUTEN]

dont worry travers, this is still going to be fun. :p :p :p its just better to get things off your chest before you get to a race that way there is no need for argueing. besides i'm not argueing, thom said "put the muffler on". he's the boss. doesnt mean i have to agree, but i do have to abide by the rules. i put a muffler on my wastegate tonight, damn that thing was expensive. cost me $4. (who would ever think a part for a lawn mower engine would be useful on a turbo d/r car:D ). heck that could have been 4 tips at the $^*^% bar. oops:o
anyways i was doing this for a discussion, not a ***** session. now that i know what is going on ---- lets get to racing! is everyone ready? how many cars are going to show?

[travers]

dont worry travers, this is still going to be fun. :p :p :p its just better to get things off your chest before you get to a race that way there is no need for argueing. besides i'm not argueing, thom said "put the muffler on". he's the boss. doesnt mean i have to agree, but i do have to abide by the rules. i put a muffler on my wastegate tonight, damn that thing was expensive. cost me $4. (who would ever think a part for a lawn mower engine would be useful on a turbo d/r car:D ). heck that could have been 4 tips at the $^*^% bar. oops:o
anyways i was doing this for a discussion, not a ***** session. now that i know what is going on ---- lets get to racing! is everyone ready? how many cars are going to show?

lawn mower:D thats some funny ****

[BBRC]

Who is going down the race track with there wastegates open?

[Kwik92GT]

It's an ugly fugger but legal. Should be interesting to see some of the dual wastegate setups.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j23/Kwik92GT/Picture2.jpg

[HOP]

They figured we still needed more turbo to keep up with those huge new X-trims!!:D


John, I think you mean F1-Rs! I thought I heard you say bigger isn't always better!

CL, I don't think I hear anyone crying!

I thought we all got the same rule book with our memberships, SORRY, I guess I wasn't suppose to read mine!:rolleyes:

[timneagroup]

As much as I think this muffler thing is stupid on a waste-gate...Hopper makes a great point. If the rule book says it, you could be damn sure that I would be calling somone out if they didn't fit the rules.

sorry ahead of time.

[oRaNgeT-76]

As much as I think this muffler thing is stupid on a waste-gate...Hopper makes a great point. If the rule book says it, you could be damn sure that I would be calling somone out if they didn't fit the rules.

sorry ahead of time.

This is Big Daddy not Alex and I couldn't agree with you guys more. If the rulebook says it ....its a rule and if it doesnt it's not. (RIGHT) So now that were all on the same page......Could someone please read the 2002 rulebook under turbos and tell me exactly what it says. PLEASE... Also when I raced for the NMRA the muffler rules on wastegates was implimented because of JoB Spetter and Joe DeSilva and has been that way since 2000 that I remember. Which brings me to this.... Tim didn't Dave Hopper run a turbo a few years back...could he not read back then?

Next Blower car goes 8.18 and that seems to be okay....:(

Big Daddy

[timneagroup]

Hey Bigs,

I won't tell anyone your are on here....;)

[oRaNgeT-76]

Hey Bigs,

I won't tell anyone your are on here....;)

Too Late I'm here, and your answer is?

[HOP]

Which brings me to this.... Tim didn't Dave Hopper run a turbo a few years back...could he not read back then?



Big Daddy

Dwayne, the people that built my headers and exhaust back then put mufflers on the car because it was built to be a street car so it wasn't an issue for me!

Like I said before crapr6 asked a question ,I looked it up and there it was in black and white! I don't write the rules I follow them!

[oRaNgeT-76]

Dwayne, the people that built my headers and exhaust back then put mufflers on the car because it was built to be a street car so it wasn't an issue for me!

Like I said before crapr6 asked a question ,I looked it up and there it was in black and white! I don't write the rules I follow them!

So you would agree that you only read the rules when something is brought to your attention....

I mean I felt the same way back then as you do now... I didn't write the rules I just followed them.....but everyone felt I cheated... I didn't write the book I just read it.

Let's face it, the rules are there for certain people...and its a fact. Didnt say Pete couldn't have a hole in his bumper, but now it does...

BD

[chip provenza]

BD whats wrong with 8.18 the turbo cars at there first race went a 29 with the fastest mph ever in the class.Im sure they will make that tenth up and then some by years end.

[oRaNgeT-76]

BD whats wrong with 8.18 the turbo cars at there first race went a 29 with the fastest mph ever in the class.Im sure they will make that tenth up and then some by years end.

Absolutely nothing none of the turbo cars are complaining about it either. I just find it amusing that the topic is wastegate gases.... or mufflers...hasn't been an issue in the last 2/3 years has it ....wouldn't you agree?

8.29 was that in qualifying or eliminations?

As far as the MPH thing goes, it has never won a race that I have seen.... have you?

BD

[chip provenza]

I really had no idea of a muffler on a wastegate.I really do not care what the rules are for turbo cars as well as nos car rest there soul.As long as the competion is good and everyone has a fair shot.I cant remember when it happened.Ask Dave H if mph wins races it happened to him on the first 170 mph pass I made.

[331cobra]

Absolutely nothing none of the turbo cars are complaining about it either. I just find it amusing that the topic is wastegate gases.... or mufflers...hasn't been an issue in the last 2/3 years has it ....wouldn't you agree?

8.29 was that in qualifying or eliminations?

As far as the MPH thing goes, it has never won a race that I have seen.... have you?

BD


The 8.29 was run in testing on Friday before qualifying......I think I was a couple hundred lbs light on that run also.

BD, you know better than anyone that noone cares what you are running on your car unless you are a threat. Now that things "seem" pretty even I think there will alot of nitpicking going on!!!!

I think back in 2002 the rules stated that a 76mm inlet was the max for a turbo car. The wheel was not mentioned. You were told that your 76/88 was WAY TOO MUCH TURBO to be running against F1-Rs. You tried to tell everyone what an F1-R would do and they said you were crazy. Look at us know.....we can run a STRAIGHT 88 against the F1-R's and still haven't gone as quick as them.

[CHRIS TUTEN]

well, 2 new muflers on the car and she's loaded up in the trailer ready to go. (wait,,, its only tuesday:( ) thanks muffler shop of columbia for hookin a brotha up. actually he is my brother:D
mine was simple cause i have only 1 wastegate. i wasnt aware of the 2 muffler maximum rule. that makes for more work on cars with 2 wastegates.

now its time to take a Briggs and Stratton part faster than its ever been!!!!!:eek: wonder if they wanna kick in some loot?

[jimmy byrne]

You guys are too funny. Not even the second race and the keyboards are hot.

oh yeah,

FREE BIG DADDY!


take care all,
jimmy byrne

[turbocoupe25-5]

Yah but in pro you could run zoomies. And I think I saw a pic of a sso car with them to? Now that is LOAD.

[Jeff@TCI]

Good luck to everyone this weekend in Ga. Me and Kolivas got the LAWN MOWER mufflers put on last night....... Guess what, pick up 50-RWHP and made his reaction times even better!:)

[Dave Zimmerman]

Me and Kolivas got the LAWN MOWER mufflers put on last night....... Guess what, pick up 50-RWHP and made his reaction times even better!:)
:eek: :D But then again that minght not be a bad thing, if John gets any better on the tree he'll be red lighting

[TubingJon]

It's an ugly fugger but legal. Should be interesting to see some of the dual wastegate setups.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j23/Kwik92GT/Picture2.jpg

Take a look inside that muffler and see how it "follows the rules" Greg. You might be suprised with what you find.

I remember someone telling me that "those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." Huh.

[331cobra]

Please tell us a little more.........are you saying that muffler setup is not legal either?

[oRaNgeT-76]

whats not legal now .........

[HOP]

Take a look inside that muffler and see how it "follows the rules" Greg. You might be suprised with what you find.

I remember someone telling me that "those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." Huh.

Lets hope that someone did a better job of building that one than some aluminum ones I have seen! Who's to say that one isn't commercially available? I've seen them before but not on any website, I think I can get you the part number.

I think you should watch where you stones are going!

[gnklr50]

:cool: :cool: :cool:

[Kwik92GT]

Take a look inside that muffler and see how it "follows the rules" Greg. You might be suprised with what you find.

I remember someone telling me that "those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." Huh.

WTF ....... anyone happen to catch the number of that bus that just ran over me?:rolleyes:

Not sure what you're talking about here Jon. I don't recall ever saying anything to you about living in glass houses or even anything remotely close to that. If you have a problem with me, and I don't know why you would, you should have called or PM'd me. If your problem is with the person that previously owned this system then take it up with them and leave me out of it. Lata.

[TubingJon]

Nothing to do with you Greg, just making sure you don't have any problems.

As far as the aluminum muffler, already been approved by tech.

[NDRATECH]

Sorry to butt in guys, and I am not trying to bash or start problems, but I must ask a stupid question.

Why would a turbocharged or supercharged car be required to run an exhaust system, much less an exhaust on the wastegate.

Most of the guys I know go to the races for the sound of the cars, not for the sound of muffled cars.

How many turbocharged street cars have you seen with muffled wastegates?

Maybe rules like this is why I quit racing Domestics and went to the Sport Compacts. We have some wierd rules, but nothing like a muffler on a wastegate. Actually, we only have one Pro class that requires mufflers, and it is not the Drag Radial Class, nor does it pertain to a small block motor.

Glenn Woods
NDRA Tech Director
404-366-4700 x 241
glennw@nopi.com
nopitech@nopi.com

http://ndra.nopi.com/2006/default.cfm

[turbocoupe25-5]

YAH WHO dosnt like that sound. How many times I was and others at a track and was walking the pits and heard the popping and said. THA FAST CARS ARE RACING now. Come on this is DUM.

PRO 5.0 can have zoomies and turbos w/g need mufflers.:confused:
I have two of them and I will make it to the grove. I just have to change something AGAIN :mad:

[NDRATECH]

Just like you, I can't imagine being up at the line and a turbocharged car having mufflers, and mufflers on the wastegate.

Wow, that must sound awesome. I guess I will see for myself this weekend in Reynolds.

[RogerB]

Dam!!!!! I should have put those kooks wastegate mufflers in LaFerriere's suitcase. Could have got some good money for them this weekend..:D

Good luck everyone. I will be watching NMRA TV all weekend again.

[speer13]

roger..... I fly out friday...... throw in my bag!!!! parts pimp delivery service!:D

[RogerB]

That would be some funny Sh!t!!

[speer13]

I just need a big enough trench coat to display them in as I wander the pits....... or even better a guy that can talk fast so we can have the first annual Parts pimp auction after tech failure

[CHRIS TUTEN]

i can tell you it definately makes the gate more aggressive. 1st pass, 22lbs in .9. tire smoke and 8600rpm :eek: @1.1sec. 2 broke valvesprings. hopefully not bent valves. needless to say i'm not to happy. guess the lawnmower muffler is to restrictive. not enough time to figure out.

[Smav347]

Sorry to butt in guys, and I am not trying to bash or start problems, but I must ask a stupid question.

Why would a turbocharged or supercharged car be required to run an exhaust system, much less an exhaust on the wastegate.

Most of the guys I know go to the races for the sound of the cars, not for the sound of muffled cars.

How many turbocharged street cars have you seen with muffled wastegates?

Maybe rules like this is why I quit racing Domestics and went to the Sport Compacts. We have some wierd rules, but nothing like a muffler on a wastegate. Actually, we only have one Pro class that requires mufflers, and it is not the Drag Radial Class, nor does it pertain to a small block motor.

http://ndra.nopi.com/2006/default.cfm

The reason why the NMRA enforces mufflers in certain classes is because it much more impressive to run hard through the mufflers than it is to have open exhaust, it's simple. There's a reason why this is called "street legal drag racing." These cars may not really be legal, but we want the cars to apeal to the street car guy.

Oh and NDRATECH of course you don't enforce mufflers with sport compacts, those piles need everything they can to be quick.

[powerjames]

Guys,

Thom is working on this issue and will have a response sometime today or tomorrow. The issue is the wording in the rulebook and the actual "real world" impact of the muffler rules as they pertain to turbo cars. He's networking with a few of us individually and some technical resources.

You should hear something from him soon..

James

[NDRATECH]

SMAV 347,

What was the quickest and fastest time in NMRA Drag Radial last season?
NDRA was 7.99.@ 185.36 Inline 6 cylinder

What was the quickest and fastest time in NMRA Pro 5.0 last season?
NDRA was a 6.506 @ 216.85 Inline 6 cylinder

What was the quickest and fastest time in NMRA Outlaw last season?
NDRA was a 6.978 @ 198.29 Inline 4 cylinder

Hell, we even had a FWD Inline 4 cylinder go 7.09 @ 201 mph

So, maybe you are right, we need mufflers to slow the piles down.

Don't start comparing weights on the 4 and 6 cylinder cars vs. the V8 cars.
Big displacement and larger turbos vs. Small displacement and smaller turbos.
That is your equilizer there.

[NMRA Jason]

What about fuel and turbo sizes?

I wonder what some of the NMRA crowd could do with alcohol and unlimited turbos...

[ChrisEvans]

when you say"outlaw"....do you mean the outlaw 10.5 class or Super street outlaw? I don't see anyone running 6.90's on TRUE 28x10.5 tires,well NOT anytime soon.

[NDRATECH]

The Sport Compacts don't have unlimited turbo sizes.

Pro Outlaw is twin 61mm turbos max, or a 76mm single.

Pro Street Tire is a 88mm max

Pro Compact is a 91.5mm or twin 78mm max

If the NMRA racers want to run the same turbos and fuel as the Sport Compacts, I will allow it. But I believe most would rather use the larger turbos on thier combinations.

Chris Outlaw 10.5 cars
Manny went 7.50 in Phoenix on a small motor.

[SSO2191]

SMAV 347,

What was the quickest and fastest time in NMRA Drag Radial last season?
NDRA was 7.99.@ 185.36 Inline 6 cylinder

What was the quickest and fastest time in NMRA Pro 5.0 last season?
NDRA was a 6.506 @ 216.85 Inline 6 cylinder

What was the quickest and fastest time in NMRA Outlaw last season?
NDRA was a 6.978 @ 198.29 Inline 4 cylinder

Hell, we even had a FWD Inline 4 cylinder go 7.09 @ 201 mph

So, maybe you are right, we need mufflers to slow the piles down.

Don't start comparing weights on the 4 and 6 cylinder cars vs. the V8 cars.
Big displacement and larger turbos vs. Small displacement and smaller turbos.
That is your equilizer there.



If it wasn't for the little girls wearing next to nothing, no one would even show up for your events!. Your car count is a joke! and we won't even get into the power weight ratio!
Honda's are made for gas milage and young kids that can't afford to buy real cars!
BTY, didn't Manny just enter one of these races since they opened it up for Domestics (because of their lack of car count) and busted their A$$.

[turbocoupe25-5]

No mufflers
No mufflers
No mufflers
No mufflers
:D :D

[HOP]

Guys,

Thom is working on this issue and will have a response sometime today or tomorrow. The issue is the wording in the rulebook and the actual "real world" impact of the muffler rules as they pertain to turbo cars. He's networking with a few of us individually and some technical resources.

You should hear something from him soon..

James
James, the muffler rule should be for all power adders, My vote is for no mufflers required on any car!

[NDRATECH]

SSO2191,

You are correct, our car count in AZ. sucked. Poor weather forcast and actual rain on Sunday tends to do that.
Come down to Valdosta at the end of April and you will see a much better event.

Sorry, if you don't care for the girls in Bikinis.

Just like I said, don't even talk about power to weight.
Don't most domestic 10.5 cars have close to 2000hp?
Almost twice the HP of the 4 cylinder Outlaw cars, and 500-600 more than the 6 cylinder cars?

And yes we know that Manny kicked ass in Phoenix, we were there.
But, none of our racers cried about it (like you would if he kicked your ass that bad) since they feel that they are not anywhere near thier potential yet.
One of the cars he beat was brand new, one was trying a new set up that did'nt work, and one went 7.70 @ 191 on the smaller 70mm turbo(they are allowed a 74mm for 2006)

This is the reason we started Import vs. Domestic this season.
Hopefully everyone will get the answer they are looking for.

Too bad you won't come run with us, I am sure the Import guys would love to run all over you.

[powerjames]

James, the muffler rule should be for all power adders, My vote is for no mufflers required on any car!

Hop..

(1) Hope you are well.
(2) Great run in Florida.
(3) You have no vote.

:D

[HOP]

Hop..

(1) Hope you are well.
(2) Great run in Florida.
(3) You have no vote.

:D

Well then you might as well give them the 91mm then! I have been told that the rule on mufflers has been there since the begining of DR so why change it now!

[powerjames]

Well then you might as well give them the 91mm then! I have been told that the rule on mufflers has been there since the begining of DR so why change it now!

Okay, one vote for a 91mm in Drag Radial.

Check.

JL

[turbocoupe25-5]

I dont want to buy a 91mm turbo.
AND I dont want to fab anymore tubing for my W/G
but I will :D

[powerjames]

I dont want to buy a 91mm turbo.
AND I dont want to fab anymore tubing for my W/G
but I will :D

Take one for the team :eek:

[HOP]

Okay, one vote for a 91mm in Drag Radial.

Check.

JL

Oh I see, now I get a vote!

[Smav347]

SSO2191,

Just like I said, don't even talk about power to weight.
Don't most domestic 10.5 cars have close to 2000hp?
Almost twice the HP of the 4 cylinder Outlaw cars, and 500-600 more than the 6 cylinder cars?

And yes we know that Manny kicked ass in Phoenix, we were there.
But, none of our racers cried about it (like you would if he kicked your ass that bad) since they feel that they are not anywhere near thier potential yet.
One of the cars he beat was brand new, one was trying a new set up that did'nt work, and one went 7.70 @ 191 on the smaller 70mm turbo(they are allowed a 74mm for 2006)

This is the reason we started Import vs. Domestic this season.
Hopefully everyone will get the answer they are looking for.

Too bad you won't come run with us, I am sure the Import guys would love to run all over you.

If they don't break their s#it all up like they usually do.

Well all I've got to say is the dying sport compact market speaks for itself, why else would you be in a Mustang forum trying recruit racers.

I have a question for you NDRATECH, how hard do you think a domestic racer will push his ride in a series that they'll probably attend twice a year?
With that being said, think about your Outlaw results.

[NDRATECH]

At what point did I try to recruit any racers? Never.

All I said was to bad you won't attend, and recieve a beating.
I never invited you.

So know you would'nt race them because they may break? WTF?

It looks like Manny pushed his car pretty damn hard, or maybe he is just a competitor and you are'nt.

Like I said, come to Valdosta, just as a spectator and check out the Domestic cars that will be there. I know of 8 already that are committed to the event and more than half of those are committed to the series.


To the rest of you guys good luck this weekend or this season.
Sorry that I let a jackass like this get me started on rants.

[Thom Bates]

After much heated debate on all issues pertaining wastegates and mufflers, we the competition committee have unanimously agreed to a rules revision.

22. Drag Radial - Wastegate/Exhaust Systems
Mufflers are not required on wategate outlets.

Thom

[NDRATECH]

That should be good news for all the Drag Radial guys.

[jbi66]

After much heated debate on all issues pertaining wastegates and mufflers, we the competition committee have unanimously agreed to a rules revision.

22. Drag Radial - Wastegate/Exhaust Systems
Mufflers are not required on wategate outlets.

Thom

Thank God. After reading about what happened to Tuten, I was getting a little worried bout that boost spike. As for the 91mm, I just ordered my gt47-88 so if this were to go through, Id go nuts. Now, back to the pissing match over the NDRA:D

[BK50]

After much heated debate on all issues pertaining wastegates and mufflers, we the competition committee have unanimously agreed to a rules revision.

22. Drag Radial - Wastegate/Exhaust Systems
Mufflers are not required on wategate outlets.

Thom

Thanks.... Now back to that 91mm thing.....;) :D


Bill

[Andy Burnett]

NDRATech: If you want to listen to a bunch of no mufflered cars revving the crap out of their junk for no reason, in the words of Mark Magnuson, go to the phuckin Yee Hah Nationals. These are the same douchebags in high school that would knock the plug out of the catalytic convertor on their B body cause, 'it sounds mean'.

Andy

[chip provenza]

Nice lets change some more rules

[Jay Allen]

Hey BD, how's it going?

[booger]

Hey BD, how's it going?

Hey Jay

What's new it's me BD I am using someone elses log in. Hey Jay remember racing in Columbus in 1991.. you were the only N/A car in the class...

BD

[Smav347]

At what point did I try to recruit any racers? Never.

All I said was to bad you won't attend, and recieve a beating.
I never invited you.

So know you would'nt race them because they may break? WTF?

It looks like Manny pushed his car pretty damn hard, or maybe he is just a competitor and you are'nt.

Like I said, come to Valdosta, just as a spectator and check out the Domestic cars that will be there. I know of 8 already that are committed to the event and more than half of those are committed to the series.


To the rest of you guys good luck this weekend or this season.
Sorry that I let a jackass like this get me started on rants.

Ha ha. Man I wonder if it was the whole "dying sport compact industry" or the "imports break all the time" comment that struck the nerve? Anyway, good luck with the domestic domination you've set up. It's going to be great watching these guys show what real drag cars can do.

Alright I'm done antagonizing, sorry guys.
:D

[NMRA Jason]

Hey Jay

What's new it's me BD I am using someone elses log in. Hey Jay remember racing in Columbus in 1991.. you were the only N/A car in the class...

BD

Hey old man, when are you coming back? Somebody's running consistent .90s somewhere else, why not come back with some real competition and show him how it's done?

[90GT398]

Hey Jay

What's new it's me BD I am using someone elses log in. Hey Jay remember racing in Columbus in 1991.. you were the only N/A car in the class...

BD

Jay's ignorant, he has done that a number of times being the only N/A car to show up where there is nothing but power adder cars, he did it at Ennis one year also :D Must be a disease :D

Jay you know I mean this in fun.

Back to the NDRA vs NMRA arguement :D

[booger]

After much heated debate on all issues pertaining wastegates and mufflers, we the competition committee have unanimously agreed to a rules revision.

22. Drag Radial - Wastegate/Exhaust Systems
Mufflers are not required on wategate outlets.

Thom

Not that what I says matters, but I commend the rules commitee for their ruling on the mufflers on wastegates issue concerning turbos. I am not booger but using his screen name.

BD

[booger]

Hey old man, when are you coming back? Somebody's running consistent .90s somewhere else, why not come back with some real competition and show him how it's done?

We had this conversation in Florida @ PRI. You know what I told you besides 390ci, Victor Gliddens, Aluminum Block, Wolfe Intake, Wolfe TDC (ILLEGAL).... Plus I have some unfinished business in FFW against those Boyz running on M/T's got my work cut out for me on BFG's...

BD

[Jay Allen]

Jay's ignorant, he has done that a number of times being the only N/A car to show up where there is nothing but power adder cars, he did it at Ennis one year also :D Must be a disease :D
Jay you know I mean this in fun.
Ya, but the kids forget this $h!t.

BD, ya Janet and I drove to Columbus in that in 1991. Unloaded the slicks, jack, and tools. She was pregnant with out first child. I went a best that weekend of 11.68 against NOS Pete. If I remember right you went 11.18. Anyways, I made it to the semi's against Wolfe. He kicked the crap out of me. Loaded up our junk and headed back to home 3 hours away.

Got the hole thing on VHS.

[CHRIS TUTEN]

Thank God. After reading about what happened to Tuten, I was getting a little worried bout that boost spike. As for the 91mm, I just ordered my gt47-88 so if this were to go through, Id go nuts. Now, back to the pissing match over the NDRA:D

not done yet, have to change head gaskets before this weekend. went to track again tonight and its pushing water:confused: just got car into shop, now its time to go to sleep. i have to work tomorrow. see you guys saturday.

[Sean Knighton]

Hold on a min.
1. No Mufflers = Good
2. Girls in Bikinis = Very Good
3. Drag Radial racing = Dam Good
This sounds like a great plan, could be a new class of racing. The girls in bikinis driving the DR cars with no mufflers.:D

[NDRATECH]

Hey Sean, you might be on to something.:D

Don't worry SMAV, you did'nt hit any nerves with me. I just like talking sh*t and causing problems. Sounds like we have alot in common. haha
The only funny thing that I have noticed is that you hide behind a screen name, where as most know who I am. :cool:

Have a good weekend, and I hope we bump into you this weekend in Reynolds.

[speer13]

Guys no offence to any of the NMRA guys but I love the combined idea of racing.... I was worried at first but almost all the guys I met at the NDRA event were great... the racers there are just like any of us! it just so happened that the only common part between compact and domestics went bad on our car and the guy we were racing in that round gave us the brake lines and fittings we needed, so that in itself is a good sign....... now the crowd is a different story... but as people catch on and the rules even out I think this can grow becuase I was really impressed with the way some of these small engines made power.... its just nice to have options on off weekends with a group as equally fun to be around and race with.... Glenn and crew have our vote for another event showup....

[SSO2191]

NDRATECH,
I was just busting your balls. Just like I do to all the imports at my local hangout with my diesel dually truck.:D
I would love to come over and bust some a$$ in your organization but you guys won't let me run because my car is carbureted (blow-through).:D Since this thread started some rules changes how about you guys letting carbs in?
My first post to you was for the simple fact that your org. has targeted a certain audience and did it well. The problem is that audience is not there for DRAG RACING. They are there to hang out and play video games and check out the girls. If you want to play video games stay home. That is the difference between your org. and this org. We are made up of hard core drag racers and so are our fans!!! That is why your car counts suffer but your spectator and car show sides are huge.
So how about letting carbs in? It would only help your car count. Besides a carb is supposed to be a disadvantage right!

[NDRATECH]

So I need to save you guys a space in Valdosta?:cool:

I will see you guys in the morning, we are coming down with a couple of the Pro Street Tire guys from AAP Motorsports. They want to check out what these cars can do on Drag Radials. I think they are scared of the Drag Radial Cars in the NMRA.;)

[NDRATECH]

SSO2191,
Unfortunately the powers that be do not want carbs in there yet. The reason being was they did not want to be over run with older domestic cars this first season. The goal is to bring in an even mix of Import vs. Domestic classes and fields. It will take time, but we will make it work this year.
Now, that does not mean rules won't be changed for the 2007 season, we will just have to wait and see.;)

People just have to look past all of the other things that go on, if they don't care for them, do like I do and ignore them.

I took the job I have because I love racing, and going to the races. I don't care about any of the other stuff that goes on at our events, so I spend my spare time in the pits talking with the racers or on the midway talking to the sponsors.

[booger]

Ya, but the kids forget this $h!t.

BD, ya Janet and I drove to Columbus in that in 1991. Unloaded the slicks, jack, and tools. She was pregnant with out first child. I went a best that weekend of 11.68 against NOS Pete. If I remember right you went 11.18. Anyways, I made it to the semi's against Wolfe. He kicked the crap out of me. Loaded up our junk and headed back to home 3 hours away.

Got the hole thing on VHS.

Well it didn't fair any better for me against Brian Wolfe in the finals 9.68/11.09 but those were the dayz.... Man we stayed at the Holiday Inn right up the road and would go out and terrorize the Ohio Streets that was fun.

BD

[booger]

SSO2191,
Unfortunately the powers that be do not want carbs in there yet. The reason being was they did not want to be over run with older domestic cars this first season. The goal is to bring in an even mix of Import vs. Domestic classes and fields. It will take time, but we will make it work this year.
Now, that does not mean rules won't be changed for the 2007 season, we will just have to wait and see.;)

People just have to look past all of the other things that go on, if they don't care for them, do like I do and ignore them.

I took the job I have because I love racing, and going to the races. I don't care about any of the other stuff that goes on at our events, so I spend my spare time in the pits talking with the racers or on the midway talking to the sponsors.

Well as someone mentioned in a earlier thread...A little guy like me would come and play if the rules were different. The little supra would love to line up with the little black Coupe (Efantis VS. The Big Daddy) wouldn't mind a little bit of the 350Z either....and after a hard dayz work I wouldn't mind a few Cheerleaders....while playing on line poker against Jamie Meyers.:D

BD

[travers]

were can i find a ndra schedule, now that i've missed 2 nmra events not being ready i may just want to have some fun over there too.
good luck this weekend guys, see you all in reading. building a car to compete with you guys is a lot more work than i realized, i thought going from 9.0's with a novi to a low 8 with a 88 would be easy, now i changed the hole dang car:o

[NDRATECH]

Shoot me an email, I will get you whatever info you need.

Hey BD, why can't you run against the Efantis Boys at an NDRA event?

[powerjames]

Shoot me an email, I will get you whatever info you need.

Hey BD, why can't you run against the Efantis Boys at an NDRA event?

This isn't a place to discuss/promote the NDRA series.

You guys have your own series - great. Good luck with it. This is the NMRA - we race the fastest Mustangs and Fords in the world against each other.

Good luck with the NDRA, but please keep it off our board. You've gone a great job promoting it, and the racers will always have an option to race your stuff.

Good luck in the future, and since we aren't going to be creating a "NDRA Forum" for you anytime soon.. please keep NDRA talk on the NDRA forums!

Thanks!
James

[NDRATECH]

Sorry guys, you heard it from one of the big guys. I can't answer any questions that you may have, nor can I banter back and forth with you on the Import vs. Domestic battle.

I wish you guys (NMRA Racers) the best of luck at the events, and if any of you have any questions, you know who to contact to reach me.

[powerjames]

Sorry guys, you heard it from one of the big guys. I can't answer any questions that you may have, nor can I banter back and forth with you on the Import vs. Domestic battle.

I wish you guys (NMRA Racers) the best of luck at the events, and if any of you have any questions, you know who to contact to reach me.

Glenn - our racers are intelligent people and they all appreciate having another place to race, especially on off weekends or when NDRA is local to them.

NDRA has your own message forum, I'd just suggest you discuss NDRA events, rules and classes there!

Seems like a reasonable request I would think.

Last time I checked I didn't see you on the NMRA payroll! That's right -- you're here to promote NDRA events and get NMRA racers to race with you instead!!

James

[NDRATECH]

James, you are doing more promoting for the NDRA than I am. Thank you.

So we will just agree to dis-agree on everything, and I will leave it at what I said in my last post.

James, have a wonderful weekend, sorry I won't be able to meet you in person at the event this weekend.

[travers]

sorry james, i did not mean to start anything and i hope you don't think i would ever go to a ndra race before a nmra. i want to beat the best and they are in nmra. i don't have over 60k worth of parts on my credit cards to go race against imports. just an option when its an off week with nmra.

[powerjames]

sorry james, i did not mean to start anything and i hope you don't think i would ever go to a ndra race before a nmra. i want to beat the best and they are in nmra. i don't have over 60k worth of parts on my credit cards to go race against imports. just an option when its an off week with nmra.

Travers -- hey there is no hard feelings at all. Race wherever you want to, and wherever you think is the best place for you! We think the NMRA is a great place to race, and I'm sure NDRA will offer a nice place for some guys as well.

NOPI has been very aggressive with using our board to promote their events and classes, and we've asked them several times not to. Months ago they were posting all of their classes rules and asking our guys what it would take to get them to race NDRA. Since obviously Glenn wasn't getting the message, I finally just had to say something.

NOPI's stance on this is that they felt they should be able to promote their events, classes, and distribute flyers at NMRA events or message boards. We know at some events the NDRA has struggled with turnout and to increase car counts they allowed the domestics to compete. By the same token, if NDRA builds up a car count of Mustangs, that could hurt NMRA turnout. So, of course we have a vested interest in keeping the fastest Ford's running NMRA colors..

We have a staff of 26 people at the home office whose lives and incomes rely on the NMRA series (and the NMCA). So, yes we are going to protect our turf.

On the other side, we think the more venues that Ford Drag racers have to compete at -- the better. So, we support NDRA's efforts to include Ford racers in their program, we just don't want them to use our forums and events for promotion.


James

[NDRATECH]

Hey James, I am sorry that we continually seem to have a mis-understanding over these things.

When a question is asked I will contact that person directly via some other method. Can't say I will use PM's, but I will do it off of the forums.

And I have never asked to hand out flyers at one of your events, nor have I stated that this was ever my intention. When I am off on a weekend and I go to the races, I go to see racing and old friends.

[powerjames]

Glenn - thanks for the understanding.

Now- how about those 91mm turbos?

[chip provenza]

91mm cool,how about f3's and whatever Ricky can whip up. James I think we can make some good rules while everyone else is racing.

[powerjames]

91mm cool,how about f3's and whatever Ricky can whip up. James I think we can make some good rules while everyone else is racing.

F3's are for pansies.

I say F5's and the Vortech VX-2000 Mongloid, the largest blower ever to come out of the Channel Islands. It's so large your Mustang will tip over forward.

JL

[Draggin3]

hey chip, eric should have your package.

[chip provenza]

That sounded kind of funny dude:D

James I heard of that blower, Ricky said it would bow the firewall at full boost 70-75 pounds at recommended impeller RPM.Unless you allow forward facing blowers.

[Draggin3]

That sounded kind of funny dude:D
hey, whatever you and eric do in your free time is your business!!! :D :D :D

[powerjames]

That sounded kind of funny dude:D

James I heard of that blower, Ricky said it would bow the firewall at full boost 70-75 pounds at recommended impeller RPM.Unless you allow forward facing blowers.

Only weaklings run 75 psi of boost. The Vortech Mongiloid produces 90 psi of boost at idle. The first time they a test run of this blower it produced 1,200 psi at 5,000 rpm and blew the valves through the pistons.

Oh yea, Vortech tried to reverse this blower. The problem with that is that the Mongoloid acted like a jet engine and sucked the christmas tree into the engine causing significant damages. A lawsuit is still pending on that.

To compete, ProCharger is introducing the ProCharger F-ZERO. It features a 37-inch impeller wheel, 62-inch discharge, and requires 29,000 horsepower to turn. On the positive side, it flows 7 million CFM and can produce enough horsepower to accelerate a Semi-truck from zero to 200 mph in .3 seconds.

James

[warpgt]

hey chip, eric should have your package.

Chip- Eric does have your package! 2 of them

[chip provenza]

Not cool

[chip provenza]

Well seems like the 85mm was all they needed.THanks Chris T.
WHAT DO YOU THINK JAMES?

[331cobra]

Well seems like the 85mm was all they needed.THanks Chris T.
WHAT DO YOU THINK JAMES?

Quit crying like a baby Chip.

The mph clocks were way off in the right lane. Ask anyone that was there.
Tuten went 173
Manny went 192.7
Urist went 196
Zoop went 163
I went 172.7 to Marios 168 in the 1st round & I was not pulling on him at all. I never even went 170 in the left lane all weekend.


The facts are that the quickest 4-5 cars were all blower cars. Its time to quit complaining and just race.

[chip provenza]

Im not complaining bro you will think you need a 91mm when I come back.

[oRaNgeT-76]

realisticaly we dont need a 91, we just need to drop some weight off the
88mm turbo cars ..........
3450 is way too heavy

[Draggin3]

Im not complaining bro you will think you need a 91mm when I come back.
:D :D LMFAO :D :D

[CHRIS TUTEN]

Well seems like the 85mm was all they needed.THanks Chris T.
WHAT DO YOU THINK JAMES?

no problem chip. the mph clocks were funny at times in the right lane. my computer told me i went 168.9989,lol. (you have to go back to 'another forum' to get that joke,hehe). i did manage to go 171.4 in the left lane somehow:D to bad the boost controller quit. you usually dont win if your boosted car has no boost.
hey chip, when i'm done you'll think i have an 88 <chest poking out and punding on it like a gorilla!> hahahaha
great turnout and alot of great close racing in all the classes, you guys should have been there.

[chip provenza]

The best part is the new X-trim makes about 75 more horse then the old one.Man I cant wait.:) Maybe the 88 needs to be at 3400?:rolleyes:

[331cobra]

Im not complaining bro you will think you need a 91mm when I come back.


I need a 91mm right now as sick as my car is running!!!!!!!!

[chip provenza]

FYI I was just messing with James as you see if you read the earlier post.Bottom line if I dont like the rules that much I wouldnt run this class but I think I can get it done.John you know its going to take some time to get your **** right its still a new combo.

[Matt@LaFerriere]

Getting back on track, here's an example of how we interpereted the rules when we were building the car. We stuck with the F1R, but our back up plan is (was) the 88...You can get these from Kooks...just my .02. See everyone at the Grove. :)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/matt_rise/gates_edited.jpg

Matt

[CHRIS TUTEN]

Getting back on track, here's an example of how we interpereted the rules when we were building the car. We stuck with the F1R, but our back up plan is (was) the 88...You can get these from Kooks...just my .02. See everyone at the Grove. :)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/matt_rise/gates_edited.jpg

Matt

good luck this weekend!

[timneagroup]

What race is going on this weekend?

[90GT398]

Ffw

[chip provenza]

Na its the first Pro -Series race in Florida

[Matt@LaFerriere]

good luck this weekend!

Thanx Chris, it's 40 degrees and rainy up here. Need another fix of sunshine and warm weather in Bradenton!

[Eric LaFerriere]

hey, whatever you and eric do in your free time is your business!!! :D :D :D


You should come join us in a couple weeks down in Maryland ....We are going to try and figure out what to do with the package :eek:

[Eric LaFerriere]

good luck this weekend!



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