YS TRIM D-1 or D-2 please read BEFORE you vote..*very important*

[blown91stang]

I am looking to up grade my blower setup.
i will be driving the car about 500-700 miles a month.
i just want a blower that will make 15-20psi with out braking a sweat.

see sig for new setup
i have a PA c-4 new with trans brake 4500 art carr convert.
still want it to have good street manors on pump gas...i now know that you cant run a after cooler with a ys trim... :p

what do you all think of the D-1 intercooled setup..OR
a VORTECH setup with
MY Goal is 600-700hp
10.0 car..everyday driver.
i also am looking at longevity...i would like the blower setup to last atleast 1-2 before a rebuild.
well i think i covered everything...
Thank you for your time...

[blown91stang]

ttt

[swilldup]

you dont need a cooler to make that power,but id go w/ the ys for all the reason you stated...............

[mcqwik]

I have had most of the blowers you asked about and would have to say for what your looking for the YS as the D-2 would be overkill for what your looking for .The D-2 will outpower the YS but at what cost to you .The D-2 will gaurantee a split stock block for sure at some point not saying the rest won't do that as well ,The D-2 will outflow all the others hands down as it a bigger blower .My 2 cents though:D

[rjriley1]

Keep the S trim. Your looking to spend money for no reason. I made that much HP with mine. I have a friend that made 704HP w/ 16-18lbs. of boost with the S Trim. The smaller blower will be better for the street because it doesn't have to spool up to make the power. If you want more power than 600-650HP buy a bigger blower. P.S. In your poll you forgot to put Novi 2000 :)

[stampede90gt]

Maybe a R-block or Dart block should be in that poll as well. I blew up a DSS Pro Bullet with a NOVI 2000 making only a little over 500rwhp. An S-trim would be more than able to put out the power you are looking for. imo

[blown91stang]

Thanks very much for your time...
i have made a decision..i am going to keep my s trim...
and concentrate on the suspenion....and putting the car on a diet...(hope she didn't hear me say that.)
i will be saving for a R-block or a dart...for next year..
try a little fogged power...with AFR 225's and a 1050 BG..408..:eek: :eek: :eek:

[rencapri]

yeah I would go with the y-s trim to. but you dont need the cooler for street use. just my two cents worth. chad

[rjriley1]

YS Trim is a great blower, but a little big for just street use because you have to really spin it up to make the power and the torque. The T and S Trims work better for daily drivers. The fellow posting does't have an aftermarket block so these blowers (S and T) would be the better choice. Further to include on my above post: I ran the S Trim making the power listed above until my stock block main cap area was spidered with hair line cracks. Luckily #5 piston gave way before the block split in half. Thanks for listening. RJRiley

[rencapri]

Yeah your right there for a mostly street car the s trim or the t trim would work much better. good luck on your project. Chad

[blown91stang]

thanks very much for your time...;) ...looks like i will be staying with the s-trim...but do you think going to the T-trim would help out a little...?
Thanks David

[5.4 turbo]

Just my 2 cents worth, why don't you drop the blowers and pick up a turbo, grant it, it will cost more money, but in the long run a turbo is all around a better choice.

PS: While your at it, why don't you drop in a mod motor, the pushrod thing is getting a little tired don't ya think.

[swc]

Originally posted by blown91stang
thanks very much for your time...;) ...looks like i will be staying with the s-trim...but do you think going to the T-trim would help out a little...?
Thanks David

The S-trim will do what you want it to. IF you are thinking of a T-trim, just go right up to a YS. I had the S-trim and now l run the YS.

Later,

[blown91stang]

thanks,i was told you have to really spin the YS's to get them to put the power on....i think for now i will stick with the good o'l Strim..and my aftercooler:D :D :D

[Pegasis 50]

I went 9.90's with an aod and an s trim, and got 18 mpg. This was my only car at the time. Good electronics (i.e. Anderson PMS) are crucial to extract the most performance and tune the motor so that you are not killing parts. Give Rick a call at Anderson fordmotorsport with any question. (217-935-2384)
Philip Clemmons
Pegasis Racing

[frdfandc]

Go with the YS with the after cooler. I have seen a few cars with this setup go low 10's and still be able to be driven on the street daily.

[MaineStreetKing]

700 the wheel with the YS...no cooler

[chriscrna]

I think the t-trim would be better than the s-trim for two reasons. First, you want a blower that will last two years between rebuilds. true, as stated above you can make 15psi with the s-trim but you will be working it hard. I doubt you will get two years out of it before it really starts to leak oil. Alot of people say know problem but not on an everday car. I have tried it. As far as what people said about splitting the block, it is the power that will split the block not the blower. If 600hp splits the block then 600hp is what split it not the t-trim , s-trim, ys, etc. kRunning the blower at a lower impeller speed to get the same psi is easier on the blower and that is why I think the t-trim is better than the s-trim for the LONG haul.

[Bulldogs-Stangs]

Hey David, It's your ole buddy in VA, Rod. I see you can't stop looking ahead, but hey noone can. Anyway as for myself I would say T-Trim. Been there and done the S and T and a few of the folks are right you can work the T alot less and get what you are after. We made 625 @ the wheels and had a tune done with a chip and I drove the s*%t out of it. The car weighed 3475 without me in it and ran 6.40's in the 1/8 all day. Just don't lean on it too hard without keeping fuel to her or she will get real upset and you won't be happy at all. Good luck and the car is looking great.

Rod

[stlrenegade]

Dude, go ahead and upgrade to a YS trim blower. Sure it needs to be spun harder than a S or T, but all you need for that are the renegade pulleys. I upgraded from a S trim to a YS a couple years ago, ran 10.30's with S, week later ran 9.86 with YS. 8" crank pulley and 3" blower pulley. (no cooler, renegade legal set up)

[DNA]

I believe the T Trim will get you where you want to be. As for the block look at the sportsman block if you are not going to run full time. I have seen them take over 1000 HP and hold up just fine. The cost less than half of the others and weigh less as well.

[blown91stang]

Thanks to all of you that took the time to help me...Im still not sure at this point,but it looks like im going with a YS...if i can find a good deal on a T-trim,I may do that setup...

again,thank you all very much for your time..and please by all means, keep the good replys coming...;) ;) ;) :D :D

[swc]

Hi,

Go for the YS-Trim, buddy. With our 342 motor it has way more torque than street tires can handle and will spin the ET streets at any speed limit. The blower will take you to 1000 Hp. If you "NEED" more than that then, you are running PRO 5.0 and you will be looking at a BIG ASS Turbo!!!!!

Later,

[SwillRacer]

You could stay with the S-trim and cooler, but you'd have to abuse your equipment pretty hard to achieve the HP/boost levels you desire. That would be accomplished in one of two ways: 1) you'd have to run a pretty small blower pulley on your S-trim or 2) you'd have to spin your motor pretty hard. If you go the small pulley route, you'll have to worry about belt-slip issues which can't really be corrected by simply tightening the belt because the s-trim brackets from vortech flex alot when you put alot of tension on them. This will cause the pullies to come out of alignment and you'll end up throwing belts at high rpm. If you choose to spin your motor higher, you better make sure your shortblock and valvetrain are built to withstand it. The guys in NMRA RS are spinning their motor up to around 7500rpm to make about 18psi. That's alot of RPM for a street motor.

I think the best thing you could do would be to sell your cooler and S-trim and get a driver-side mount YS if you don't have A/C(if you do, PM me, the Swill crewchief came up with a passenger side bracket setup that is rock solid). Yes, it's a bigger blower but if you pulley it correctly, it will very easily make the 15psi you want and you won't need the cooler and it will be very streetable. Plus, the mounting and tensioner brackets are rock solid unlike the passenger side kits unlike the manufacturer passenger side brackets. Being that it is a bigger blower, you won't have to spin your motor or the blower as hard as you would with the S-trim which will keep your discharge temps lower because the blower will be operating within it's efficiency range. In RS and REN, we regularly see 280 degree discharge temps because we're spinning our blowers waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over the manufacturer recommendations. A YS on a street car would come no where near that....

Another advantage of the YS is that it will allow you to continue to grow your combination cuz we all know that once you're making the power you want to, you'll get greedy and want even more!!

[GRP3569]

you are saying the inlet temp,s are high......? can you add a - air-to air intercooler to reduce the temp,s ??????....im wanting to build 800-900 hp,and drive it....only to true street event,s ...what size intercooler would you need ? any comments will help...thanks grp3569

[SwillRacer]

I'm saying the inlet temps are high because we spin the blower sooooooooooooo hard in our classes. The max impellar speed for a YS is something like 65Krpm if memory serves me correctly. We spin ours well over 75Krpm and when I miss my shift points, it's been over 80Krpm. It doesn't matter which blower you use, Vortech, Paxton, Pcharger, the harder you spin it, the hotter the discharge temp. If you keep a blower at or below it's max. efficiency RPM, the temps will be nowhere near as high.

Street driving won't cause the discharge temps to be so high cuz you won't be zinging your motor up to 8000rpm on your way to pick up a gallon of milk at the quicky-mart.

[GRP3569]

i know you cant use a intercooler in renagade,but if you could what would you use.....air - to air .....air-to water ? being that im only looking at around 800-1000 hp.air to water,does not seem to be affordable....so what size inter cooler do you need to suppoort that horse power level.if you could help.....any one with any ideas would help....thanks swiill team....

[SwillRacer]

Well, to be honest my knowledge of intercooling isn't that great simply because it's never been allowed in REN, so I've never looked into it. You might want to solicite opinions from a SSO racer. Vortech makes the igloo after-cooler(air to water) that many people have had success with. Reichard Racing also makes various coolers for a number of heads-up racers. Might not hurt you call either of them. OR, you could post up that question at www.superchargersonline.com or www.superchargerhelp.com. Both of those sites have specific 'intercooler' forums. Jimmy LaRocca would be another good guy to call.

Hope this helps.

[Pro Stock John]

I have a YS Trim on a 348ci LS6 engine and with a T400 I made 746rwhp with 17 psi and VP C12. These blower are awesome. I made 600rwhp by 5300 rpms. I think Vortech stuff works as advertised and is very good quality.

[blown91stang]

well...i have a 347 (see sig)...now im looking for a good blower...i have the chance to trade my s trim w/ after cooler for a fresh D-1 with 3 core inter cooler 2 sets of brackets..renegade and 1 for power steering ect..
12 rib belt setup..
but im looking for a ys or ysi....what do you guys think. :D

[MaineStreetKing]

well...i have a 347 (see sig)...now im looking for a good blower...i have the chance to trade my s trim w/ after cooler for a fresh D-1 with 3 core inter cooler 2 sets of brackets..renegade and 1 for power steering ect..
12 rib belt setup..
but im looking for a ys or ysi....what do you guys think. :D
I'm gonna be selling my passenger side ys trim setup soon

[blown91stang]

I'm gonna be selling my passenger side ys trim setup soon
pm me a price... ill be putting mine on the block asap...

[blown91stang]

you guys won't believe what i ended up buying...F-1R cog and serp. big sheet metal intercooler....

time to fly... :eek:
thanks to all that took the time to contribute input to this thread...i appreciate your time.. ;) ;) ;) ;)

i hope to make a 9 sec pass with my setup... :D :D

ttyl....David

[boost_hog]

You made a great choice. The F1-R is second to none. I run D3-M on my Chevy on the street and love it. I hear the F series blowers spool faster and are more efficent then the D series blowers and I love my D3-M. My next move will be an F3 eventually or a 101mm turbo. I personally think Procharger makes a fantastic unit. The only problem is that they suck to talk to, better off talking with distributor of their stuff. Good luck and HOLD ON....its gonna fly!!!

[blown91stang]

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/5358/347_001.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/data/5358/347_002.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/data/5358/347_003.jpg

[livin1072]

Looks good!!
Did you get a smoken deal?
Well be sure to post how it works out.
Shane :D

[Inthe9s]

Go With The Ys Trim By Far It Is One Of The Srongest Street Blowers Out There, If You Don't Want MAKE To Much Boost And Want To Spin It Hard Go With The Biggest Pulley Set Up For It And You Will Be Fine.

[miran587]

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/5358/347_001.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/data/5358/347_002.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/data/5358/347_003.jpg
does the intercooler stay like that on the flat or is it suppose to go in the front of the car in the bumper

[livin1072]

just like that. :)

[SICKBOY]

I have no regrets about my YS, Went 10.40 with only 10lbs of boost
(3.12/6.87) and a very mild engine combo. As far as it being lazy down low, I can blaze my 325 DR's from an idle. Cant wait to see what the 8"crank pulley. And not to be a stick in the mud but I had a good friend that never could keep a 12-rib belt on his D-1R. Anyone else have belt tossing trouble with this set up?

[andrew barrale]

I sell a killer bracket for the ati f series. the blower will not move with my brace. It will work with cog or serp belts. You don't have to weld it if you don 't want to. It can be bolted on, but I usually like to weld the tabs.

if interested

e-mail andrewbarrale@yahoo.com

[freezy74]

I sell a killer bracket for the ati f series. the blower will not move with my brace. It will work with cog or serp belts. You don't have to weld it if you don 't want to. It can be bolted on, but I usually like to weld the tabs.

if interested

e-mail andrewbarrale@yahoo.com

I would also say your's is one of the bast I have seen, but without a picture, nobody will beleive either of us. Oh......I just happen to have a few :D

http://x7.putfile.com/2/4020493055.jpg

[freezy74]

http://x7.putfile.com/2/4020533375.jpg

[freezy74]

http://x7.putfile.com/2/4020563819.jpg

His work really is that good. It speaks for itself. I have more pictures of this brace if anybody needs to see more.

[andrew barrale]

Thanks for the support, Freezy.

[92CPE]

Andrew's bracket is awesome I have one and can vouch for it. Unfortunately I haven't put it to use yet but if I could post a pic I would. Whats real nice about this brace is it a 2-link design not only going to the stut tower but also the second link on the bottom.

[stockgt?]

hows the blower did u drive the car yet? i wanna know because i want to do a f1r setup with a 360. u still have the stock block ?

[blown91stang]

hows the blower did u drive the car yet? i wanna know because i want to do a f1r setup with a 360. u still have the stock block ?
i ended up selling it..i now have a YSi trim..

I wouldn't run a F-1R on a stock block..just my opinion..:eek:

[miran587]

any 94 d1 renegade cog users have a few ?'s

[blown91stang]

new setup a....... YSI.....whhooohoooo.

sideways racing

[FASTANG]

D1X w/intercooler

[twolf]

what the paxton novi 2000? Is it not worthy to be a part of a voter poll?