2 car runaway?

[MV50]

Looks to be a 2 car race again this year. It's a shame the pushrod can't keep up. My son was going to field a car but not if it can't be somewhat competitive. Is this the way it's going to go?

[PureThunder]

Wait till they screw-up Pure Street as well!

[John Leslie Jr.]

Haha, its looks like it, but hopefully, the rest of us, "pushrods", will be out and ready before Pennsylvania, and have a few "knives", for the gun fight...:D

[denny1610]

Looks to be a 2 car race again this year. It's a shame the pushrod can't keep up. My son was going to field a car but not if it can't be somewhat competitive. Is this the way it's going to go?


do yourself a favor and buy a 4 valve.:D

remember "racing is stupid":D

[MV50]

do yourself a favor and buy a 4 valve.:D

remember "racing is stupid":D

I guess that's the only way...Too bad..

I have heard that said before.."racing is stupid".....:p

[ISSUES]

"racing is stupid":D

and yet we all still do it?:D

[VTEngines]

And they'll be the first to cry when they get slapped with weight or more rules revisions mid-season. They need to take lessons from Billy G and not dominate the field when they don't need to....gotta learn to pull back on the reins some.

[PURESTREET5006]

Wait till they screw-up Pure Street as well!


Man:mad: :mad: Don't say that crap:( Leave P/S alone.

[SANDMAN]

Maybe JL can see the light now!! :D
These pushrod rules need a fixing James!

[Ian Mullane]

And they'll be the first to cry when they get slapped with weight or more rules revisions mid-season. They need to take lessons from Billy G and not dominate the field when they don't need to....gotta learn to pull back on the reins some.

And how do we do that?? Arrange it with Jeff before hand. You think he's gonna give it to us.:rolleyes: We still gotta outrun the #2 car. Margain of victory tha last two races was .08 and .07 seconds. Pretty close don't ya think;) This is heads up racing. If we wanted to sandbag we'd stick to Mod Muscle or Open Comp. Shawn has proven he can win at that as well. 01 O/C Champ.

[VTEngines]

And how do we do that?? Arrange it with Jeff before hand. You think he's gonna give it to us.:rolleyes: We still gotta outrun the #2 car. Margain of victory tha last two races was .08 and .07 seconds. Pretty close don't ya think;) This is heads up racing. If we wanted to sandbag we'd stick to Mod Muscle or Open Comp. Shawn has proven he can win at that as well. 01 O/C Champ.

Then don't complain when you get hit......

[CarlosSobrino]

NMRA wants f/s running 11.5s, done. Leave the 4 valves alone....... Have to now get the pushrods to the mid 11 range...... Pushrods get 05 rules back minus brakes, oil pans. and aftermarket sway bars, and add to revisions deduct 100 pounds, no p/s, and race crank pulley.
__________________

[Shawn Johnson]

And they'll be the first to cry when they get slapped with weight or more rules revisions mid-season. They need to take lessons from Billy G and not dominate the field when they don't need to....gotta learn to pull back on the reins some.


I hope this is a sarcastic joke…. If not it’s the most dumb ass statement I’ve seen….

Before I reply to this I have some questions so I can better understand where this comes from…
WHO are you?????
Do you know what HEADS UP drag racing is?
Do you know what sponsors are?
Do you know what sponsor obligation is?

I might be able to better reply after you answer these questions…

[Ian Mullane]

I'm not going to get into a debate over the rules. As we've seen in the past, it does no good and peoples feelings will get hurt. It's not about complaining its about politics and politics is what we all are attempting to do on the internet. Trying to convince someones else to see things from your point of view. It never works so I'm not going to bother when it comes to the rules. Frankly, unless the NMRA kicks us out of the class, we'll find a way to win. :cool:

[Ian Mullane]

Wait till they screw-up Pure Street as well!

Maybe next year:p



Glad to see you'll be racing this year John L.

[KenB]

the 4v's may have complained about the rule change, but they did something else too, they worked hard over the winter. Somehow the pushrods lost almost half a second.

There's no reason a pushrod can be running 11.7's or better under the current rules. There's just no pushrod car pushing is like Shawn and Jeff currently are.

Hell, I saw Carlos' car make 320 rwhp at Joliet last year with a stock computer on Speed Density.


Last I checked, there are 2 other 4V's in the class and neither is going near as fast as Shawn and Jeff.


Ken

[VTEngines]

I hope this is a sarcastic joke…. If not it’s the most dumb ass statement I’ve seen….

Before I reply to this I have some questions so I can better understand where this comes from…
WHO are you?????
Do you know what HEADS UP drag racing is?
Do you know what sponsors are?
Do you know what sponsor obligation is?

I might be able to better reply after you answer these questions…

Haha...im not even gunna answer the questions if you need to ask.

I'm saying that if you go out and outrun the pushrod guys by the margin you guys are now, you are going to get weight added and/or rules changes to level out the field. I'm not saying you need to lose at all....what I'm saying is dominating them is not gunna help you down the road..it's only gunna make things more difficult for you. I'm only looking out for you since I'm a Modular guy myself.If you and Jeff wanna run at the top and dominate over the rest that bad...then don't complain when the rules are changed, that's all.

[VTEngines]

Last I checked, there are 2 other 4V's in the class and neither is going near as fast as Shawn and Jeff.


Ken

Correct...but the rule makers look at what each COMBO is running...not what each person is running. If there are 2 4V at the top...who cares about any others. The 2 at the top are showing what the COMBO can do. It doesn't matter if the pushrod cars SHOULD go 11.70's....if they aren't, then the rules will be addressed. Sucks as it may...but that is what is gunna happen.

[SANDMAN]

There ya go again Ken, implying that only Mod guy's work hard.
So how many passes did yall make over the winter after the new rules came out?
Its kinda hard where I live to test during the winter..

The rules are not even. The first 2 races show that.
No need to argue over them.
If the P.T.B look at the data they will do what is right.

the 4v's may have complained about the rule change, but they did something else too, they worked hard over the winter. Somehow the pushrods lost almost half a second.

There's no reason a pushrod can be running 11.7's or better under the current rules. There's just no pushrod car pushing is like Shawn and Jeff currently are.

Hell, I saw Carlos' car make 320 rwhp at Joliet last year with a stock computer on Speed Density.


Last I checked, there are 2 other 4V's in the class and neither is going near as fast as Shawn and Jeff.


Ken

[KenB]

There ya go again Ken, implying that only Mod guy's work hard.
So how many passes did yall make over the winter after the new rules came out?
Its kinda hard where I live to test during the winter..

The rules are not even. The first 2 races show that.
No need to argue over them.
If the P.T.B look at the data they will do what is right.



Just keep spouting off and maybe you will start believing it yourself. I guess I should have said Shawn and Jeff rather than 4v's.

There are 2 other 4V guys in the class and they aren't anywhere near Shawn and Jeff. So I'm not saying only the Mod guys work hard, I'm saying Jeff and Shawn are working hard.

If you're out of the loop, let me bring you back in it. One of the other 4V cars that is off pass is a car that we built. So I'm not touting Shawn here. I tuned the car, but him and Ian are the ones that have made it work. I know what power our car made of course and since I tuned Shawn's, I know his numbers and I can also guess pretty good at Jeff's. The difference between our car and Shawn/Jeffs is hard work and time. We haven't had the time to put into it yet and the ETs show it.


The 2 at the top are showing what the COMBO can do. It doesn't matter if the pushrod cars SHOULD go 11.70's....if they aren't, then the rules will be addressed. Sucks as it may...but that is what is gunna happen.

Ok, then, let's go down that road. Maybe the top 2 cars for the 5.0's haven't showed up. Ever consider that? What if Jeff and Shawn quit this year and only our car and Moby showed up? Everyone would be singing the praises of the NMRA because the field is tight otherwise.


All this will be settled shortly when a purpose built 5.0 shows up and runs the number.


Ken

[VTEngines]

All this will be settled shortly when a purpose built 5.0 shows up and runs the number.

Ken

Correct....IF they do run the number then nobody has anything to worry about.

[jackiechan]

All this will be settled shortly when a purpose built 5.0 shows up and runs the number.


humm, so let me get this straight......out of all the 5.0 liter guys that has shown up, noone has a purpose built car for FS??

I would have to disagree. Jamie Robinson, Johnathan Paulk, Jamie Holten, Mike Washington, Al Cann.....all have purpose built cars...!

I guess if no one shows up by bowling green that can compete with the top mod cars then, their just isnt any fast 5.0's??

and you forgot Brian in his teal mod car. I was told that Jeff said "brians car is faster than his, and once he gets it all lined out it will show on the track" unfortuntly/fortunetly Brian is working hard on being a dad, and couldnt make
reynolds. But as I remember his car ran 11.70's in Bradenton.....do I remember correctly?
Ben

[denny1610]

[QUOTE=KenB


All this will be settled shortly when a purpose built 5.0 shows up and runs the number.


Ken[/QUOTE]


what would you consider a purpose built 5.0? :confused:

[Shawn Johnson]

what would you consider a purpose built 5.0? :confused:


I'm not sure.... everyone says mine is not purpose built........

[Mike Washington]

Ok, then, let's go down that road. Maybe the top 2 cars for the 5.0's haven't showed up. Ever consider that? What if Jeff and Shawn quit this year and only our car and Moby showed up? Everyone would be singing the praises of the NMRA because the field is tight otherwise.


All this will be settled shortly when a purpose built 5.0 shows up and runs the number.


Ken

I like what if's:
What if the Queen had a pair of Balls?
What if the sky wasn't Blue?
What if someone else drove Shawns car and it went quicker/faster?
What if 4 was equal to 2?



All of the PAST TOP NMRA 5.0 Racers (Purpose Built Race Cars) have run this year......
If some magic unknown 5.0 is gonna come out and SHOW US how it's done, SUPER....

AS you elude to Shawn and Jeff work Hard, Okay.....Us pushrod racers are a lazy bunch then....
Myself and Justin have been doing this stuff for a couple years now and kinda have a little clue what it takes a 5.0 to run.....(And we have done the R&D, when some new tech comes out we try it, until NMRA Bans it)
Our 5.0 car once sorted out will run in the 80's.....THAT'S IT

If you have some magic 5.0 Pixie Dust or know where it's sold, Relabel it and offer it up....I'm sure it would be lucrative.

Laters,

Mike Washington

[KenB]

If you have some magic 5.0 Pixie Dust or know where it's sold, Relabel it and offer it up....I'm sure it would be lucrative.

Laters,

Mike Washington

No magic pixie dust, it's pretty simple Math really. It takes a certain amount of power to go a certain ET/MPH. Are you saying you are only making 300 rwhp?

I'm not doubting you or Justin or anyone else. I've said it many times during the first 2 races, I just don't get it. I don't understand why the 5.0's have slowed down so much from last year.


Ken

[LXguy]

the 4v's may have complained about the rule change, but they did something else too, they worked hard over the winter. Somehow the pushrods lost almost half a second.


Actually, they cried like the world was coming to an end if I recall correctly. "The NMRA obviously hates 4Vs!" blah blah.


There's no reason a pushrod can be running 11.7's or better under the current rules.


:rolleyes:


Hell, I saw Carlos' car make 320 rwhp at Joliet last year with a stock computer on Speed Density.


WOW~! You quote a peak hp number like it actually means anything!

I saw a 4.6 4V make almost 400! YA!


Last I checked, there are 2 other 4V's in the class and neither is going near as fast as Shawn and Jeff.
Ken

Great! There are 5.0s running 12.60s. What's your point?

Are you actually trying to imply that there is no disparity between the 4V cars and the 5.0s?

Six little words.

ONE HUNDRED NINETEEN MILES PER HOUR

Steve

[Shawn Johnson]

Don't use the MPH from Reynolds.....

Everyone knows the MPH was off....

That is being covered in another thread...

[MV50]

what would you consider a purpose built 5.0? :confused:

Couldn't get more purpose built than yours Denny..;)

Guess I re-started something here..

Racing is stupid

[Eric LaFerriere]

This is some Funny **** ......Ken B keep hitting the crack pipe .....

The statements you make get better and better ...Face it ,they screwed
up big time when they made the rules changes in this class . Before you ask why I even get involved in this post I have been with Dennis Merrow on his project from the beggining ..I know what it takes to win in this class and it is not going to happen for a pushrod guy under the current rules . Hell they won't even come close ....

What would happen if a pushrod car showed up and forced Shawn and Jeff
to let it all out ....I bet there would be alot of crying going on saying the pushrod guy was cheating ....Why ? becuase Everyone knows they will not hang with the current rules ......


I spoke to Jeff in ga. about what would have to be done and he was very understanding that something needs to be done . We luaghed about it .

I don't knock the mod motor guys . they do a hell of a job . but when you try for parity and it is not even close forget it ....

And before you say I have no idea what I am talking about ... Think twice I have had pleanty mod motor cars on the dyno and the track ...Avg. horse power is where it is at not a crappy peak #### at 5800 and then it drops 100 Hp 400 rpm later .............ERIC

[John Leslie Jr.]

Hey Mike Washington,

Whats with the imply of .."All of the PAST TOP NMRA 5.0 Racers (Purpose Built Race Cars) have run this year......"...not true...theres a few of us that havent even run yet this year. I consider my car purpose built, and was in the top10 last few years. So are you saying I'm no threat?

[RSwannabe]

Hey Mike Washington,

Whats with the imply of .."All of the PAST TOP NMRA 5.0 Racers (Purpose Built Race Cars) have run this year......"...not true...theres a few of us that havent even run yet this year. I consider my car purpose built, and was in the top10 last few years. So are you saying I'm no threat?

He may not say it but I will:p
And I don't care if your faster than me who wasn't?

[PURESTREET5006]

Well guys. That's what all these so called "entry level" classes turn out to be"Purpose built" race car classes:( I'm finding that out real quick here since i've been following NMRA 99' & FFW since 96. It's just a natural progression of any "heads-up"class with rules:D (I'm finding this out the hard way with my P/S car that i'm racing this year) If you look at Robin Lawrences 5.0 mustang & superfords rundown on how much it cost to be competitve in F/S he said about 35k for a turnkey car:eek: That's alot for a "Entry level" class and it's more now i'm sure. I was told this by a well known P/S racer last year." EITHER **** OR GET OFF THE POT" :D I refuse to quit and i can't afford a 35k P/S engine to be at the top in this class but i'm gonna keep trying until i can or until my wife see's the parts Bills:eek: :eek:

[KenB]

what would you consider a purpose built 5.0? :confused:


A car that is maxed out both in parts AND in efficiency. Basically a car that really can't do anything else and is dialed in. A 5.0 equivalent of Shawn. Mike already said their car is capable of more, he says 11.8's but who knows until you get there.

[Eric LaFerriere]

A car that is maxed out both in parts AND in efficiency. Basically a car that really can't do anything else and is dialed in. A 5.0 equivalent of Shawn. Mike already said their car is capable of more, he says 11.8's but who knows until you get there.


Unfortunately ,11.80's won't get you far in this class .....never has , never will ....

[KenB]

Unfortunately ,11.80's won't get you far in this class .....never has , never will ....

Who said it would?


Read my post again. He said the car is not maxed out yet and he is estimating 11.8's. But, who knows what it will run until you get there (maxed out). I think it will/should go faster.


Ken

[Eric LaFerriere]

I'm just saying . 11.80's are not enough ...Chill out :eek:

[KenB]

I'm just saying . 11.80's are not enough ...Chill out :eek:



It's hard to chill when people are call you a crack head. :D

[Eric LaFerriere]

I think I have a couple 50% off coupons for the BETTY FORD clinic.....:rolleyes: LOL

[Wayne S]

I think I have a couple 50% off coupons for the BETTY FORD clinic.....:rolleyes: LOL

:eek: Eric talking smack:confused: I thought yah left that crap up to me:D
So what yah think Shawn can run when the gremlins are worked out 11.36?
And people wander wy no 2vs...

[Ian Mullane]

If I had the money, I'd still build a 2V for F/S. I like the idea of not having a gear limitation and with a shortblock like Shawns and nice set of ported cylinder heads, I feel a 2V would be very competative.

[Bob Cosby]

Looks to be a 2 car race again this year. It's a shame the pushrod can't keep up. My son was going to field a car but not if it can't be somewhat competitive. Is this the way it's going to go?
History of F/S 101:

2000 was a two car Pushrod runaway: Joffre and Gabe.
2001 was a three car battle between 2 pushrods and one 4V (Rich, Robin, and I). Pushrods ended up finishing 1 & 2.
2002 was a two car Pushrod runaway: Justin and Robin (dominated by Justin).
2003 was a one car Pushrod runaway: Mike W.
2004 was a more-or-less one car 4V runaway (mine), with Mike W.'s pushrod in close pursuit, Jamie H. running really good late, and Shawn and Jeff starting to show hands.
2005 was a more-or-less one car 4V runaway (Shawn).

2006 is only 2 races old. Even if it does becomes a two car 4V runaway, there is plenty of precedence for it to be the other way around. And if you do the numbers, 4Vs have only won 2 of the 6 titles, and really dominated only 2 of the 6 years (though I agree that no one single combo should be dominate, if it can be fairly helped).

[CarlosSobrino]

Hello Bob

Bob, you are one the most respected, knowledgeable and liked (by those that matter) racer and person. You have a been a crusader for fair racing since I've known you. In your opinion, how can f/s be fixed?

My .02c has been 05 pushrod rules + no p/s, a race crank pulley and 100# weight reduction from the 06 rules. But keeping the 06 rules of stock rear sway bar and no spools.

[Wayne S]

If I had the money, I'd still build a 2V for F/S. I like the idea of not having a gear limitation and with a shortblock like Shawns and nice set of ported cylinder heads, I feel a 2V would be very competative.

What exactly can you port?,,,,,,,,,,,So only thing this year they gave the 2v is ported oem heads. Take away all the other crap Like other combos (Mind you same stuff the GT-40 guys want back) and add weight to the car.. None ported 06 2v now 2900, ported 3000Lbs..
So 06 2v can be competative? I don't see it..
I don't see 5.0s winning with 05 rules either..

Guess people need to define what they meen by competative..


How about this for a new 06 rule that would to me make sence,,,,,
Winner adds 50lbs per win for entire season.. Runner up adds 25Lbs per runner up for entire season............ End of season you go back to Base weight..
Think it would be a 2 car runaway then?:D

[Ian Mullane]

What exactly can you port?,,,,,,,,,,,So only thing this year they gave the 2v is ported oem heads. Take away all the other crap Like other combos (Mind you same stuff the GT-40 guys want back) and add weight to the car.. None ported 06 2v now 2900, ported 3000Lbs..
So 06 2v can be competative? I don't see it..
I don't see 5.0s winning with 05 rules either..

Guess people need to define what they meen by competative..


How about this for a new 06 rule that would to me make sence,,,,,
Winner adds 50lbs per win for entire season.. Runner up adds 25Lbs per runner up for entire season............ End of season you go back to Base weight..
Think it would be a 2 car runaway then?:D

By competative I mean able to win a race dependant on driver error and reaction time. By my calulations it would take about 330 rwhp to get there with a 2V which I believe is very doable. Taking away all the other crap has no effect since everyone had to take it away. The 5.0's would be very competative by my definition with the 05 rules for them but I'll do everything in my power to ensure they don't win regardless fo the rules. To your suggestion about adding weight :eek: We'd be at 3800 lbs by the end of the season. We are not racing 03 Cobra's here.:)

[Bob Cosby]

Hello Bob

Bob, you are one the most respected, knowledgeable and liked (by those that matter) racer and person. You have a been a crusader for fair racing since I've known you. In your opinion, how can f/s be fixed?

My .02c has been 05 pushrod rules + no p/s, a race crank pulley and 100# weight reduction from the 06 rules. But keeping the 06 rules of stock rear sway bar and no spools.
Howdy Carlos,

I can assure you that you are highly over-rating me. However, since you asked... :)

- Go back to the 05 rules for 5.0s, with the 06 weight.
- Give the 4Vs some gear back - clutch breakage is rampant, and that is likely the reason.
- Let EVERYBODY use a spool. With due respect to those who made that no spool rule, that is the dumbest one I've seen yet.

Bob

[Shawn Johnson]

Howdy Carlos,

I can assure you that you are highly over-rating me. However, since you asked... :)

- Go back to the 05 rules for 5.0s, with the 06 weight.
- Give the 4Vs some gear back - clutch breakage is rampant, and that is likely the reason.
- Let EVERYBODY use a spool. With due respect to those who made that no spool rule, that is the dumbest one I've seen yet.

Bob

I wouldn't mind that.....
the 4valve are breaking clutches, trans and rear gears....
clutches and trans due to the gear and gears due to the lockers...

It will be very expensive for a new 4valve to come out with these rules...
Steve is seeing that right now...
two races he has two new trans broke (g-force T5's), two new gears and one damaged locker... I'm not sure on the clutches...
Jeff and I have been running our stuff for a while so have some heads up for these changes and have spare parts ... but a new guy will spend more money on clutches and trans then and it will take him out...
Right now I have four complete clutch packages for spares and Jeff has about the same... Jeff, Steve, Brian and I are looking to all go together on spare gears and lockers and other parts so we can stay in the hunt when something fails... A new guy on his own will have a hard time staying in it...

[RFink]

[QUOTE

- Go back to the 05 rules for 5.0s, with the 06 weight.
- Give the 4Vs some gear back - clutch breakage is rampant, and that is likely the reason.
- Let EVERYBODY use a spool. With due respect to those who made that no spool rule, that is the dumbest one I've seen yet.

Bob[/QUOTE]

4.10s or .30s for 4Vs ?

[LXguy]

Here's a question:

How many pushrods in '05 were capable of running what the 4Vs are running in '06?

Steve

[KenB]

Here's a question:

How many pushrods in '05 were capable of running what the 4Vs are running in '06?

Steve


at least 2 that I can think of, Paulk in the green car and Holten. You can probably add Denny to that list also.

Ken

[SANDMAN]

I dont think Denny ever ran better then 11.7's



at least 2 that I can think of, Paulk in the green car and Holten. You can probably add Denny to that list also.

Ken

[Ian Mullane]

I dont think Denny ever ran better then 11.7's

Not in competition but he did run much better in testing and in several conversations with him he openly admitted he had problems that he was able to later figure out. 117-118 mph in the heat of last summer shows some promose. Unfortunately the NMRA wrote his car out of competition with this years rules. I'd love to see him come back with a healthy car this year. Out of the three cars Ken pointed out I'd take Denny's any day.

[SANDMAN]

We dont have data to go by for what Denny could have ran, only what he did run...
We have facts that Paulk ran 11.6's last year.
I cant remember for the life of me if Holten ran at BG or what he ran in florida in 2005.

Not in competition but he did run much better in testing and in several conversations with him he openly admitted he had problems that he was able to later figure out. 117-118 mph in the heat of last summer shows some promose. Unfortunately the NMRA wrote his car out of competition with this years rules. I'd love to see him come back with a healthy car this year. Out of the three cars Ken pointed out I'd take Denny's any day.

[Ian Mullane]

We dont have data to go by for what Denny could have ran, only what he did run...
We have facts that Paulk ran 11.6's last year.
I cant remember for the life of me if Holten ran at BG or what he ran in florida in 2005.

You don't have facts but I do. Which is part of why its hard to agree on many things. We are all making assumptions in an attempt to cover for the "what if's". I'm not even going to try to convince anyone that my idea of the what the rules should be is any better than anyone elses. I'm just letting you know why Ken included Denny with the other fast 5.0's.

Holten ran low to mid 11.50's at both Bradenton and Bowling Green last season. Don't you have his times in a spread sheet somewhere. ;)

Any chance we'll see the Patrol car in MG? You ran pretty good there last year:)

[CarlosSobrino]

Kenny can drive it, lets see, I have 3 diffs, 4 sets of axles, 3 clutches, 4 sets of valve springs, 3 sets of retainers, 3 sets of rockers, rear springs (w/wo air bag), like 12 stock rear sway bars, and 1 set of brakes (LX always had stock brakes). All I need now is some new rules to know what parts i'm throwing back in her..lol

[Bob Cosby]

I'd like to add one thing...I am in no way, shape, or form advocating a mid-season rule change. My position on that subject is well known by those that know me. :)

Bob

[nos84gt]

NMRA doesn't care what people ran in testing when they complile data for rules and stuff...all they car about is what was run during qualification and elimination....I was always threatened by Denny's car!!!! LOL LOL:D

[CarlosSobrino]

I'd like to add one thing...I am in no way, shape, or form advocating a mid-season rule change. My position on that subject is well known by those that know me. :)

Bob

Lol Bob, we all pretty much hate 1/4 season rule changes as well, but i'm sure the NMRA wont do that this year...lol......(fingers crossed they do)..

Hey, heres a crazy one, .3 starting line handicap for pushrods.:eek:

[Ian Mullane]

NMRA doesn't care what people ran in testing when they complile data for rules and stuff...all they car about is what was run during qualification and elimination....I was always threatened by Denny's car!!!! LOL LOL:D

I know and they obviously don't pay attention to what the racers ask for on here either. If they did we wouldn't be in this situation.:rolleyes:

[SANDMAN]

Depending on the rules, The trooper might make an appearance at the Grove. :)



Any chance we'll see the Patrol car in MG? You ran pretty good there last year:)

[NMRA Jason]

Trust me when I tell you that everything gets read.

Maybe not acted upon, but it's all noticed.

[CarlosSobrino]

Trust me when I tell you that everything gets read.

Maybe not acted upon, but it's all noticed.

ACT ON IT !!!! ACT ON IT PLEEEEEEEEEEZ !!!! Throw us a bone atleast about possible changes or just tell us that "maybe after MG" or "not gonna happen.....lol

[Wayne S]

ACT ON IT !!!! ACT ON IT PLEEEEEEEEEEZ !!!! Throw us a bone atleast about possible changes or just tell us that "maybe after MG" or "not gonna happen.....lol

IMO I think the 5.0s need more then just 05 rules.. And if the 4vs want the spool or gear back what are they offering to give up? Yah got to figure your good and your bads.. I think the 5.0s would be selling their selfs short for just 05 rules and giving the 4vs the spool.

Really silly as it might sound to some.. Weight added to winner and runner up might be a good option to think about. Simple and IMO effective

[Shawn Johnson]

IMO I think the 5.0s need more then just 05 rules.. And if the 4vs want the spool or gear back what are they offering to give up? Yah got to figure your good and your bads.. I think the 5.0s would be selling their selfs short for just 05 rules and giving the 4vs the spool.

Really silly as it might sound to some.. Weight added to winner and runner up might be a good option to think about. Simple and IMO effective

wait a minute .... 5.0L ran in the mid 50s running the 05 rules..... and I'm running 59's .... you say they need more.....
WOW

[Bowtieklr]

ACT ON IT !!!! ACT ON IT PLEEEEEEEEEEZ !!!! Throw us a bone atleast about possible changes or just tell us that "maybe after MG" or "not gonna happen.....lol

I would have to agree with Carlos. The NMRA should at least tell us something one way or another.

[SANDMAN]

Whats wrong with that if the rules changed and it did happen?

You got .10 more in that thing. ;)


wait a minute .... 5.0L ran in the mid 50s running the 05 rules..... and I'm running 59's .... you say they need more.....
WOW

[NMRA Jason]

ACT ON IT !!!! ACT ON IT PLEEEEEEEEEEZ !!!! Throw us a bone atleast about possible changes or just tell us that "maybe after MG" or "not gonna happen.....lol

I didn't say I had any pull...I just said nothing gets missed. And the rules don't get discussed with me.

[Wayne S]

wait a minute .... 5.0L ran in the mid 50s running the 05 rules..... and I'm running 59's .... you say they need more.....
WOW

I beleave the only person on here that thinks your car is a .59 car is you:D

Have a problem with the weight sugestion added to winner and runner up of each race?
At least the only people who would get penilized would be the fast guys and not a slower guy with same combo.. Sorta you wanna play you pay..
It would even the feild out through the season.. And if it didn't even out the feild you would have more data on what a combo was making if it Totaly ran away from the feild..

One person who I would love to see race under a rule like above is Bill glid :D

[Ian Mullane]

I beleave the only person on here that thinks your car is a .59 car is you:D

Have a problem with the weight sugestion added to winner and runner up of each race?
At least the only people who would get penilized would be the fast guys and not a slower guy with same combo.. Sorta you wanna play you pay..
It would even the feild out through the season.. And if it didn't even out the feild you would have more data on what a combo was making if it Totaly ran away from the feild..

One person who I would love to see race under a rule like above is Bill glid :D

Thats the gayest idea I've heard yet! Why would you want to see anyone race under that rule. I, personally, want to see everyone hang it all out. You said it yourself "you wanna play you pay". This is heads up racing get used to it. If we wanted to sandbag we'd be running open comp or mod motor. If we are sandbagging now its only to save parts until the final. I guarantee Jeff wont let us slack off there. :rolleyes:

[Wayne S]

I guarantee Jeff wont let us slack off there. :rolleyes:
Is this Jeff driving a 5.0 or a 2v?:D