View Full Version : Royce Gracie vs Matt Hughes
Larry Geddes
05-24-2006, 10:28 AM
Let's get ready folks. It happens this Saturday night on PPV television.
This will be the first time we(the long time fans) will see Royce fight without the gi. We just learned this is now a UFC rule. No big deal. However, in the early day we watched Royce use the gi to an advantage. Choking and leverage,etc. (legally)
It will be a good one. I just hope it goes a long time.
If you go to 60.ufc.com you can see a bio and video on these two great fighters.
Matt Hughes is a fantastic fighter and many will pick him to win. I have to go with my thoughts of the early days. Royce Gracie.
Enjoy!!!
I'd say Gracie, but no gi is definitely going to make it difficult. That is part of his style afterall.
Smav347
05-24-2006, 10:50 AM
Gracie for sure. He's beat up tougher guys than Hughes.
Jeff Swanson
05-24-2006, 01:21 PM
No way! Gracie is old school, Hughes will crush him. :eek:
Hey one thing though, I watched the promo show on Spike Monday night and they kept saying it was a 3 round fight? The title must not be on the line, aren't title fights all 5 rounds?
The old man probably can't go 5 rounds?!? :eek:
Smav347
05-24-2006, 01:35 PM
That's what I thought at first, but something tells me he's been working on his standup fight. I think he'll have to do a lot of standing in this fight since he won't have the same "grip" he had with the gi.
WhiteNotchN20
05-24-2006, 04:27 PM
Ide like to see Hughes win and thought he would untill i saw the video of Gracie beating people that are twice his size like it was nothing, hes also never really stopped fighting so hes still at the top of his game.The only way i see Hughes winning is if he knocks him out.
Jeff it is NOT a title fight. So it will be 3 rounds.
And I think that Matt Hughes will win. He will not dominate but he will win.
Gracie is a seasoned fighter but I think he is one dimensional and in todays UFC he will not be as dominant. If you remember the early UFC no one saw or experienced Gracies style of MMA. Now they are training in and training against that style. It should be a great fight.
My prediction is a second round TKO by Hughes.
Larry Geddes
05-25-2006, 05:10 AM
Jeff: Gracie IS the school. :p
I do agree that the Gracie style is no longer "new" as in the early days.
I think Gracie will "shoot" in the first 15 seconds. Remember, they called him Anaconda.
Matt is a tremendous fighter, no doubt.
I like how they are having both guys "smack talking" on the promo. Not their style but they are selling tickets and PPV, right?
I wonder what the betting is in Vegas?
In the early days the pay for each fighter was discussed. I haven't heard them mention it. Royce was paid $50,000. for his first win in the UFC in 1993.
Fox Sports Network is picking up a new deal called the IFL. International Fighting League. They have teams and eliminations, etc. Many good names will be in on this. One more place to watch this style of fighting.
Your probably right Larry, Gracie will try and shoot to get Hughes on the ground just to avoid going toe to toe.
One thing that strikes me as odd is if the Gracies say there style is the best and you don't need another style, why is he training for stand up? I understand to counter Hughes but if Gracie trys to stand up with Hughes we WILL be punished.
I think that a huge thing Hughes has going for him is his wrestling. That should help him counter Gracies moves on the ground. Second his strength is awesome. Third he punches like a machine.
Anyone want to bit dinner at the Grove on the fight?
memphis306
05-25-2006, 07:12 AM
i think it will go to the ground fairly quickly( after they size each other up a little).hughes wont be able to keep gracie off of him long enough to throw a lot of toe-to-toe punches.once gracie gets his sloth-like grip on hughes,it'll stay on the ground. and theres no chance of gracie being knocked out.as far as the winner,who knows.
BlackBelt
05-25-2006, 08:56 AM
Having studied a variety of fighting styles I have observed the best boxer usually wins when standing up, when on the mat it is very hard to beat the Gracie style.
I think someone proficient in Krav Magaa could take out a good boxer but I have not seen it in one of these type fights.
I watched the latest Steven Sagal made for cable movie last weekend and noticed he is using a log of Krav Magaa now.
Larry Geddes
05-25-2006, 11:47 AM
Help me out here John.
Please describe Krav Magaa :confused:
What is it similiar to?
Thanks.
Help me out here John.
Please describe Krav Magaa :confused:
What is it similiar to?
Thanks.
A local school I was looking into offers it.
From their website:
Krav Maga pronounced (kräv) (megä´) n. [Hebrew.] for “contact combat”, is the official self-defense and hand-to-hand combat system of Israeli Defense Forces.
Krav Maga is a modern day and practical style of self-defense that is the only style worldwide known as an art of self-defense and not as a martial art. Krav Maga is a survival system dealing with personal safety issues in the context of defending against both armed and unarmed attackers.
Krav Maga techniques are based on the bodies natural instincts in a self-defense situation, with a strong curriculum that trains aggressiveness, fighting spirit, situational awareness, and verbal de-escalation of conflict.
Krav Maga's anti-terrorist roots make it aggressive by design, with only one objective, to eliminate the threat in the fastest way possible. It is considered a highly refined, street fighting system, designed to be utilized against street attacks, muggings, and sexual assaults.
Krav Maga was developed for use in the street. When an individual is attacked in the street there is no way to know how many opponents or weapons you might encounter, therefore Krav Maga training is based on a system without rules. This Israeli system emerged in an environment where extreme violence was common has been continually refined and developed in light of actual modern combat and self-defense experiences. Krav Maga has received international recognition for its unique approach in bringing self defense to civilian, military, and law enforcement alike.
The Krav Maga symbol consists of the Hebrew letters K and M surrounded by an open circle because the system is open to improvement by adding techniques, exercises, and training methods.
dahmer
05-25-2006, 01:29 PM
Matt Hughs shocked the hell out of me when he fought Trigg.
Trigg had him the whole fight and Hughs came back and won. He has crazy endurance. Good ground and pound. Great stand up punching power and being able to take massive blows!!
freezy74
05-26-2006, 07:08 PM
IMO, hughs can win if he fights his game. I think if he tries to change his style to fight Gracie he'll get beat. Like when randy tried to stand up with chuck in their 2nd fight. He needs to fight his own fight and let royce try to beat him at his own game.
90GT398
05-27-2006, 05:47 AM
I have not really kept up with UFC since they started padding them up so much, but I am going to go with Gracie, even though he has a jaw like glass, anyone remember when Shamrock gave him that goose egg I think in the first Super Fight?
Marine Corps is really concentrating on the mix martial arts into a combat fighting system, we had Ken Shamrock come up to the base a few week's ago, talk about someone put together good grief, and can move, the guy is a cat.
freezy74
05-28-2006, 05:12 AM
So, whats eveybody think? My comment...... Very interesting fight. Actually felt bad for Royce. He does have a HUGH heart. I dont think there is another fighter on the planet that would not have tapped from an arm-bar like that.
MichaelFreedman
05-28-2006, 07:01 AM
I was realy upset with the Referee. He was the one who said something that got Matt Hughes into his game. If he would have been quiet it may have ended a little different. Gracie is the type to wait it out as was seen while he was in an arm bar. I can't wait for the rematch.
Mike
bmoore
05-28-2006, 07:44 AM
So who won ? I believe Hughs is a great fighter. But i have seen gracie endure extreme punishment and keep going. Bet it was a good fight.
Redsnk95
05-28-2006, 02:53 PM
Hughes, referree ended it first round.
Troy
KING MUSTANG
05-28-2006, 08:38 PM
HERE THE VID.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyUdtrMnfDI&search=hughes%20gracie
Larry Geddes
05-30-2006, 05:58 AM
Did anyone's stomach turn during that armbar? I think at one point Matt looked around and thought, "isn't he supposed to tap"?
Matt's brutal strength took care of business. As we know he has plenty of skills to use beyond strength.
Big John screwed up. When he said to Royce, "you had better get out of there Royce" it clued Matt as to how good of a position he was in. That pumped him up and he went at it harder. (Matt made this comment in the post fight interview). The fight was stopped with 21 seconds remaining in the first round. Big John constantly talks to his fighters. This was not intentional.
I think the dissapointment was widespread. We all wanted to see some Gracie Ju-Jitsu in action. Oh well.
A rematch? I don't know. Probably not?????
BTW, It looks like the Pride Fighting Championships is coming more mainstream now on Fox Sports Network. All of a sudden there is competition of organizations for the viewers. Plenty of MMA stuff to watch.
Who can beat Matt Hughes?
90GT398
05-30-2006, 07:03 AM
There's a Brazalian in the Pride fighting that can fight like a mutha, fast hands and tremendous knockout power, gosh dang I can't remember his name right now.
>>>edit<<< Wanderlei Silva is his name geez can this guy bring a full load.
Did anyone's stomach turn during that armbar? I think at one point Matt looked around and thought, "isn't he supposed to tap"?
Matt's brutal strength took care of business. As we know he has plenty of skills to use beyond strength.
Big John screwed up. When he said to Royce, "you had better get out of there Royce" it clued Matt as to how good of a position he was in. That pumped him up and he went at it harder. (Matt made this comment in the post fight interview). The fight was stopped with 21 seconds remaining in the first round. Big John constantly talks to his fighters. This was not intentional.
I think the dissapointment was widespread. We all wanted to see some Gracie Ju-Jitsu in action. Oh well.
A rematch? I don't know. Probably not?????
BTW, It looks like the Pride Fighting Championships is coming more mainstream now on Fox Sports Network. All of a sudden there is competition of organizations for the viewers. Plenty of MMA stuff to watch.
Who can beat Matt Hughes?
Gracie's performance was pathetic, The only thing that surprised me about Gracie was the flexablity in his arms. That joker must be double jointed or train his arms to be that flexable. Otherthan that Hughes wiped the floor with him.
The interaction between fighter and referee is immaterial. It can be looked at both ways. McCarthy could have motivated both fighters. Giving Gracie some motivation to get out of the hold or Hughes to realize he was in a good position.
I don't think there will be a rematch either.
That is a very good question Larry... Can anyone beat Matt Hughes?
Everyone can be beaten, but I don't see anyone promising coming up the ranks, Maybe St Pierre. Hughes may hold on to the belt for a while.
I am looking forward to the Arlovski vs Silva rematch and the Ortiz vs Shamrock fights.
Anyone have any prediction for those fights?
Stangfireman
05-30-2006, 06:05 PM
Can someone tell me where I can find this Pride Fighting? All I've found it on is pay-per-view and I'm not up for shelling out some coin for re-matches. LOL
I have Direct TV if it helps.
Brandon Alsept
05-30-2006, 06:12 PM
I am looking forward to the Arlovski vs Silva rematch and the Ortiz vs Shamrock fights.
Anyone have any prediction for those fights?
I would love to see Shamrock beat the hell out of Ortiz, I believe he underestimated him in there first match, he doesn't strike me as the type to let it happen twice.
Then in the other I will say the "The Maine-iac" Tim Silva.
90GT398
05-30-2006, 06:28 PM
Can someone tell me where I can find this Pride Fighting? All I've found it on is pay-per-view and I'm not up for shelling out some coin for re-matches. LOL
I have Direct TV if it helps.
Todd,
I usually watch it on Fox Sports, the same channel where the "Best Damn Sports Show" comes on.
MichaelFreedman
05-31-2006, 04:24 AM
Every thursday night on Spike TV at 10:00.
Mike
Larry Geddes
05-31-2006, 08:52 AM
Todd Gunny is right on the channel deal.
I think Tito is a great fighter. Otherwise a punk. I would like to see Shammy beat him .
Stangfireman
05-31-2006, 02:03 PM
Well that sucks. Guess I didn't purchase the correct Direct TV package to get FSN. Guess I'll have to settle for UFC. :)
freezy74
05-31-2006, 05:34 PM
Larry, I have to say i heard Matt say that john gave him a clue as to how bad Ryoce was, i just dont think the fight would have gone much longer either way.
I think ST. Pierre has a shot, BJ penn also looks o.k., I think Pierre may have a better shot. I definately was to see the Shamrock/ Ortiz remach. I thought the footage of Tito hysterical at an interview was the best. Should be a good fight.
While were on the subject of future fights, Who do you think can take on Chuck?
Smav347
05-31-2006, 09:31 PM
Larry, I have to say i heard Matt say that john gave him a clue as to how bad Ryoce was, i just dont think the fight would have gone much longer either way.
I think ST. Pierre has a shot, BJ penn also looks o.k., I think Pierre may have a better shot. I definately was to see the Shamrock/ Ortiz remach. I thought the footage of Tito hysterical at an interview was the best. Should be a good fight.
While were on the subject of future fights, Who do you think can take on Chuck?
Andrei Arlovski or Tim Silva would be a good match for Liddell for sure. Maybe whoever wins 61 can take on the Iceman.
-J
Jake,
The Arlovski / Sylvia fight will be a great fight. I am putting my money on Arlovski.
As for one of them fighting Liddell Either one of those guys would have to lose about 50 pounds or Liddellgain 50 pounds. They are in two different weight classes. Liddell is a light heavyweight and those two are heavyweights.
I think a good match for Liddell would be Forest Griffin, Stephan Bonnar or Tito Ortiz.
Larry Geddes
06-01-2006, 06:45 AM
As far as who can beat Liddell, etc it is so hard to predict.
There is so much talent now you just never know.
BTW, I am in secret negotiations with the UFC to fight Chuck Liddell. He gets to wear a blindfold and I get to take a baseball bat into the Octagon. It would still be tough to win.:p
90GT398
06-01-2006, 07:19 AM
Hey Larry,
Bill Goldberg has a dojo two block's from my apartment, word to the wise, Goldberg is even bigger in person. :D
Hey Gunny
I think Goldberg better stay in the ring and not even bother to get into the octagon.
Larry Geddes
06-01-2006, 08:23 AM
Goldberg is a serious car guy.
Do you guys remember when he was in the Barry Grant/Demon ads?
I had hoped he would be at PRI that year but he was at some book signing instead.
I was just looking on the Barry Grant webpage and under the customer section Goldberg's picture is there with Michael Anthony from Van Halen.
BlackBelt
06-01-2006, 11:16 AM
Hey Larry,
Bill Goldberg has a dojo two block's from my apartment, word to the wise, Goldberg is even bigger in person. :D
I assume that means he is a teacher. What does he teach?
I assume that means he is a teacher. What does he teach?
I think Tae-Bo
90GT398
06-01-2006, 05:59 PM
From the banners outside of it, he teaches Muay Thai. I didn't go inside, I was at the gas station shooting the breeze with him.
Smav347
06-01-2006, 07:42 PM
Jake,
The Arlovski / Sylvia fight will be a great fight. I am putting my money on Arlovski.
As for one of them fighting Liddell Either one of those guys would have to lose about 50 pounds or Liddellgain 50 pounds. They are in two different weight classes. Liddell is a light heavyweight and those two are heavyweights.
I think a good match for Liddell would be Forest Griffin, Stephan Bonnar or Tito Ortiz.
Yeah I thought Liddell looked a little small compared to those guys. If you go on youtube.com you can see an old fight between Tito and Liddell that's freakin' awesome.
BlackBelt
06-01-2006, 08:14 PM
From the banners outside of it, he teaches Muay Thai. I didn't go inside, I was at the gas station shooting the breeze with him.
I looked Muay Thai up, it is kick boxing with elbow and knee strickes added.
I'll bet Goldberg is fearsom using it. He is big, strong, and quick. Fighting him could be painful.
90GT398
06-02-2006, 05:13 AM
Man did anyone watch Pride yesterday that fight between Ken Shamrock and Don Frye? My goodness what a throw down.
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