Wild Street question for NMRA officials,

[R347GT]

Just would like to know why that Wild Street is not treated the same as the other classes. I mean there's never video of anything on here of Wild street, plus the real kick in the pants no contengency, plus the entry fee is as high or as high the other classes and the payouts well I guess I have to say it suck. I like wild street and want to see more of it, as I think other people do. Please shed some light on this if you can.:confused:

[RIXXX93GT]

Its probabley because its not a requirement to be an NMRA member. They hit you with a heavy entry fee. Their is some coverage in the NMRA Race pages. I think I read somewhere the original intent was to cater to local Mustang enthusiasts living near the tracks the event was held at. As with anything in racing before long guys were trailering their sub 10 second cars across country to enter and have the oportunity to wear the silly cape and crown.

[powerjames]

Just would like to know why that Wild Street is not treated the same as the other classes. I mean there's never video of anything on here of Wild street, plus the real kick in the pants no contengency, plus the entry fee is as high or as high the other classes and the payouts well I guess I have to say it suck. I like wild street and want to see more of it, as I think other people do. Please shed some light on this if you can.:confused:

R347,

Wild Street is not considered a heads-up NMRA class, but we do try to promote the class as much as we can. It does get extensive coverage in Race Pages. We don't require you to be an NMRA member, and regarding the payouts, they are low on purpose without contingency. This class isn't designed to be a super competitive balls-out class that pays big to win. This is an awesome class designed for the baddest local and regional street cars to come out and see who is top dog, and also, to reward different kinds of cars (thus the payouts for the different averages).

Wild Street is a bad, bad class, but it's not Pro 5.0 and never will be in terms of competitiveness. Nor do we want it to be.

James

[R347GT]

geuss I'd better start biulding 125,000 dollar SSO car or walk around with sucker painted on my forehead. No offense but don't you think that class appeals to entry level people more who don't have the money to run all over the country to race every event. But some incentive would be nice. I know I'm not the only one that feels this way. Thanks for your timely reply.

[powerjames]

A big payout and contingency would create traveling True Street racers. We do feel that local racers might want to race for larger amounts of money -- we have about 10 classes that they can compete in that just about any Ford can compete in to some degree from Open Comp, Modular, Truck, or Drag Radial, Real Street, etc., with good payouts and contingency.

[R347GT]

Oh and this class aleady is balls out ultra competive, look at WFC. Everybody wants to relate to the street, this class is really where the emphasis on the word street is proving that it belongs.

[powerjames]

Oh and this class aleady is balls out ultra competive, look at WFC. Everybody wants to relate to the street, this class is really where the emphasis on the word street is proving that it belongs.

You actually made my point for me. The WFC offers a BIG Wild Street payout and encourages traveling big-name serious racers.

We're not looking to copy WFC's Wild Street program.

I'm a little confused. Are you suggesting that we pay a much bigger purse with contingency but keep the serious guys out?

How would you accomplish that?

[mustangscotty]

Just would like to know why that Wild Street is not treated the same as the other classes


I think R347GT is asking for the same level of payouts for the WildStreet class and also for contingency payouts. The WFC folks really attracted a large amount of WildStreet type race cars and the same would likely work for the NMRA if they offered up some real jack.

We pay, we should get to play and make jack like the big boys do. I don't think it would be impossible for the NMRA brains to throw some weight around and scare up some jack for these folks that bust their humps to compete like they do.

Throw us a bone and we'll take it and run with it. You'll likely see those "small time" classes prosper and become more competitive. Imagine the possibilities..

[powerjames]

[B]The WFC folks really attracted a large amount of WildStreet type race cars and the same would likely work for the NMRA if they offered up some real jack.

We pay, we should get to play and make jack like the big boys do. I don't think it would be impossible for the NMRA brains to throw some weight around and scare up some jack for these folks that bust their humps to compete like they do.


Sometimes I think I should use my keyboard as a bat rather than a typing device. I don't think anyone is actually reading anything I type.

#1 - Wild Street's car counts are great and growing. There is no problem

#2 - If you want to make the "jack" like the big boys, then if you have a full-on 8-second race car, take off your diapers and race in one of the NMRA's 8 heads up classes like Drag Radial, Renegade, Hot Street, or SSO.

#3 - The NMRA does not, I repeat, does not want big-time race cars in Wild Street.

[mustangscotty]

Its all to easy to blow your cool..

You gotta understand that not everyone understands your words the same.

[NMRAPaul]

It's always a bad sign when I feel like I have to be the "voice of reason"...

First of all, we do cover Wild Street quite a bit in Race Pages. Every other class gets just a single page - we devote twice as much to Wild Street, simply because there's more going on there than just a winner and runner-up. For a lot of the participants, getting their car into Race Pages is the highlight of their year, and we like doing it because we see a lot of cool cars in Wild Street that we'd miss otherwise.

Second of all, video coverage of Wild Street poses a logistical problem because of the format. You have 30 or so cars, making 3 passes each, and none of the pairings have to be anything close to "competitive" so one car is always going to be putting a gap on the other. If we show every pass, that gives us roughly 20 minutes of solid video after it's edited down. That becomes unwieldy to host, and worse for the end user to stream. If we don't show every pass, and (for instance) just show the fastest pass by the winner and runner-up, then we have an editing problem because Kevin or Schu has to identify the proper car out of 45 pairs, which isn't easy to do when many of the cars look similar enough to where you have to read the numbers in still-frame mode to be sure you got the right guy. Frankly, covering regular eliminations for all the other classes combined is a piece of cake in comparison. I'm not saying it's not worth doing, just that it would require resources we can't currently spare.

Finally, the spirit and original intent of Wild Street was to provide a showcase for real, street-driven cars that didn't fit into our regular heads-up classes, and for drivers/owners who didn't want to race in Open Comp, Mod Muscle, or brackets for whatever reason. If it was about flat-out, pro-level competition, we wouldn't bother to recognize the 10, 11, 12, 13, and 14-second winners. I think that it's been a tremendous success in that we always have dozens of cars take part. If "imagining the possibilities" means changing Wild Street so that local guys never get the chance to show off their cars because they get clobbered by series regulars, I think I'd rather be less imaginative and keep it exactly the way it is now.

[gilmoujr]

As far as contingency is concerned, who wants a STREET car with a bunch of stickers all over it (or what sponsor wants to pay for a bunch of stickers that will get removed on the way out the gate of the track on Sunday)? Not worth it to either involved. As far as payouts, look at how much the class DOES pay out. If you add the payouts up it is a sizable sum - just not going to ONE person - rather spread out. What other class can you run a 15 second average and get paid (besides the higer classes of import series LOL)? Not a bad deal for someone not wanting to join but still wanting to run their car in the event (outside of brackets). You don't have to have a good reaction, just the closest average to the second interval...

Jim

[RIXXX93GT]

I hope I didnt come off as pessamistic, I love the class, just wish it didnt cost so much to enter. I do have to give it to the nmra for the coverage, they do have pretty extensive coverage in the race pages and when your at the track the announcers really talk the wild street competitors up.

[BlackPony]

Personally, I think wild street is a cool class to watch but it's not an all out race class. If you want to race for some money git in a heads up class. Hell, if your scared to to jump in with both feet start out in Open comp. No to say that Open Comp is a easy class to be in. They are some of the best racers out there. Im only saying it would be a good way to get in and see what you are made of.

[R347GT]

Again not meaning to stir up a sh!t pit, but you being the nmra with both pockets full can sit here all day and think of reasons why not to come off your wallets. But weather you know it or not there are already full on race cars in the class. I mean you just sat right there and said the car counts are growing, why not purse it up a little. I'm not asking for 5g's or even 1g maybe 600 bucks or more than it is. Oh and one more thing I don't mind stickers on my street car as long as someone is helping or paying. The truth of it is I thought about drag radial until you relize those guys have about 55 to 60g's in there cars. Oh and the aditional cost of traveling, trying to compete with guys that make 4 times what I do in a year plus 4 times as much help and sponsers. I want the class to grow, you don't? So what if you have traveling racers I mean that's what you should want I mean more money for you. Like I said I myself am representing people that race in the class. and I'll bet from the guys that are running 11s to the guys that are running 8s would agree that the quickest man should get more than just his money back I mean come on, you know I'm not the only one who feels this way. You guys have done a lot of things right, but this is not one of them, and you could make it right if you wanted too. And I do enjoy all the classes I just have to be realistic about what I can run with out selling everything I own to build a pure street car to runs 10s. But don't get me wrong very interesting class but can't run with deep pockets. Just think the class is geared toward the working class and depends on who shows up who wins, just give us a reason to show up.

[R347GT]

Sometimes I think I should use my keyboard as a bat rather than a typing device. I don't think anyone is actually reading anything I type.

#1 - Wild Street's car counts are great and growing. There is no problem

#2 - If you want to make the "jack" like the big boys, then if you have a full-on 8-second race car, take off your diapers and race in one of the NMRA's 8 heads up classes like Drag Radial, Renegade, Hot Street, or SSO.

#3 - The NMRA does not, I repeat, does not want big-time race cars in Wild Street.
Your being just a little harsh plus tight don't you think JAMES. A bat! Easy there big fella!

[R347GT]

As far as contingency is concerned, who wants a STREET car with a bunch of stickers all over it (or what sponsor wants to pay for a bunch of stickers that will get removed on the way out the gate of the track on Sunday)? Not worth it to either involved. As far as payouts, look at how much the class DOES pay out. If you add the payouts up it is a sizable sum - just not going to ONE person - rather spread out. What other class can you run a 15 second average and get paid (besides the higer classes of import series LOL)? Not a bad deal for someone not wanting to join but still wanting to run their car in the event (outside of brackets). You don't have to have a good reaction, just the closest average to the second interval...

Jim
Your parcially right gil step over in our shoes. No to hell with that, this would benefit the N-M-R-A, why the hell not. Car counts would grow even more plus put MORE money in your pockets what's the big deal I don't understand.

[R347GT]

Oh I forgot to mention, I love the nmra give me um uh us more reason to love it.;)

[Bone Racing]

WILD STREET is a great class...but is ruined by all out race cars that can compete in the DR or REN classes vs my lil streeter that i cruise and drive daily

[RIXXX93GT]

Sometimes I think I should use my keyboard as a bat rather than a typing device. I don't think anyone is actually reading anything I type.

#1 - Wild Street's car counts are great and growing. There is no problem

#2 - If you want to make the "jack" like the big boys, then if you have a full-on 8-second race car, take off your diapers and race in one of the NMRA's 8 heads up classes like Drag Radial, Renegade, Hot Street, or SSO.

#3 - The NMRA does not, I repeat, does not want big-time race cars in Wild Street.


Coming from what I am guessing is an official position within NMRA I would say your "diaper" comment is unprofessional and sad. These are your spectators,racers, and consumers speaking. Oh and one other thing talking about stickers on cars, I just love having to paste all those nmra denso hedman header stickers on my clean car before every race in the tech line, of course their is plenty of time to do it seeing as how we can sit there for 2 hours. See ya at Joliet.

[R347GT]

Coming from what I am guessing is an official position within NMRA I would say your "diaper" comment is unprofessional and sad. These are your spectators,racers, and consumers speaking. Oh and one other thing talking about stickers on cars, I just love having to paste all those nmra denso hedman header stickers on my clean car before every race in the tech line, of course their is plenty of time to do it seeing as how we can sit there for 2 hours. See ya at Joliet.

Man I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks so, could not have said any clearer than what you just did, encourage your friends to read this thread to see what they think. Good or bad I think a Wild Streeter's voice deserves to be heard.:)

[R347GT]

WILD STREET is a great class...but is ruined by all out race cars that can compete in the DR or REN classes vs my lil streeter that i cruise and drive daily

Again no ofense to no one, but if one of us had the balls to step to DR or any other class that requires an aditional 15,000 grand to step up too, why would I want to do that. Not trying to pin point you but there is fun ford street stang were you use straight up street tires, which a sub 400 hp car would be in it's prime. One more point I'm trying to make let's just say you wanted to step up to drag radial, what would it cost if you came out of your own pocket 40g's 25g's. I mean with the exception of about two guys most of the cars could be legitamit street cars, I mean in the whole class(FFW,NMRA, and WFC). The only point I'm trying to make is there is no reason some type of contingency pay for the top 5 guy's and maybe just a little extra for the top spot. One more thing I want to say I got respect for the guys that push the envelope in this class, I mean if you paid 20g's to build an engine, when and if you do get out on the street your also wearing out a 20thou motor, oh the more hp the more heat the less it last. I mean I've heard of guys trying to make the cruise with aluminum rods, and melted the mill. I mean your taking a chance when you bust out on the street with something like that. I mean dialy drivers are nice but why say were going to hold the faster guys back. Classic example WFC, David Wolfe and Big Daddy Gutridge at WFC. David had a clear a$$ kicking advantage at WFC Gutridge knew it told him to run it out the back door. Why not let the Wild streeter's have some say, speak up people.

[NMRA Jason]

Does anyone remember when "True Street-type classes" only offered a trophy to win?

I do, and I remember faster cars back then than those vying for the "cap and gown" today.

In fact, NMRA Super Street Outlaw Racer Louie Proto ran in TS for a long time in the very same convertible that he's running in Outlaw today.

You want a payout/contingency, run a heads-up class. You want to have fun with your street car, maybe win a trophy, maybe make a couple bucks to cover your fuel and maybe hotel costs, run in Wild Street.

Once you introduce big payouts and contingency into a class, you're inviting traveling racecars, which is exactly what the NMRA does not want in Wild Street. Wild Street is for the local guy to come out with his wife/girlfriend/family and get exposed to the NMRA experience and have tons of fun, and in turn, the NMRA exposed to new fans.

Remember also that Wild Street does not include the need to purchase an NMRA membership.

Which part of this are you guys missing?

[R347GT]

We're not asking for 360 degree turn around, and there are already people trailoring race cars to the track to run that class. I'm talking maybe 500-600 hundred dollars total to win. What is that you don't understand! Maybe some contigency, even if was less than other classes or just one or the other. What is there to under stand It's a win win situation for drivers and car counts even further through the roof, what is so difficult about that. THE NMRA WOULD MAKE MORE money!

[R347GT]

One other thing, we're required to have insurance, license, regstration. Require NMRA license then all your classes mind as well read for the filfy stinkin rich only need apply. With the exception of your bracket programs.:confused:

[NMRA Jason]

It's a street car class, not a race car class.

Don't street cars have to have insurance and registration regardless of whether the NMRA is in town or not?

Contingencies are for race cars, not street cars...

[Mike1174]

If you want bigger pay outs and Contingencies, then run your street car in OPEN COMP. This is what i do and did last weekend at maple grove.

[R347GT]

Hmmm open comp, more money out of my pocket and in to the nmra's Naaaa, don't think I will. Done making my point, and you see my point you just want to keep hidding your eyes from it. Everyones defintion of a street car is different. But I'm tappin out.

[Mike1174]

LOL my car is a full street car that i run in open comp. Why? b/c of the payouts and contingencies. Funny part is if i would have ran wild street at maple grove i would have took 2nd place.

I do see your point with wanting more money paid out in wild street, this is why i run open comp. Its not worth it to me to run wild street when i can slap some stickers on the back window of my car and run open comp and haev the chance to win alot more money.

I also see the NMRA point and agree with them that if contingincies are paid in wild street then you will get purpose built race car to travel and more then likely teh local joe will now have a chance to win any money. Companies arent going to pay contingincies to the 14 and 15 sec bracket winner.

Good luck with what you decide to do, but open comp does not cost much more money ( if any ) then compared to run wild street

[R347GT]

Open comp is a bracket class right, well I geuss I could run both, but I just don't like bracket racing, but hell a may do it any way.:rolleyes:

[NMRA Jason]

Open Comp is not a bracket class, and I think some of our OC racers would be upset if they heard you say that.

You should talk to Larry Geddes, or Captain.

[R347GT]

So how exactly is the open comp setup.:confused:

[NMRA Jason]

TOYO TIRES - OPEN COMP
NMRA SERIES 2006 RULES
Final

Class Overview

Open Comp class is designed for any year, make, and model Ford vehicles using Ford engines only. Dragsters and roadsters prohibited. The Open Comp class will run on an Open Comp format with a 1-tenth (1/10th) breakout.

Qualifying Information, Ladder Type, & Tree
The class will be qualified by positive reaction time (r/t) closest to “.000” based on a Pro .500 Tree. “.000” is considered perfect. Any negative r/t (-.001, -1.231, etc.) will be placed at the bottom of the qualifying ladder, the more negative the r/t is, the farther down the ladder the run will be placed. For cases in which identical reaction times are made, qualifying position will be based on a first-come first served: the first occuring r/t will be placed #1, the second occurance of said r/t will be placed #2, and so on. Class will be paired according to qualifying positions, and then advance to eliminations.

All Run, NHRA Sportsman Ladder, Pro .500 Tree, Handicap Start.

A 32 or less car field will be laddered on a sportsman ladder

A 33 or greater car field is randomly paired and run until the field reaches 32 cars or less. When the field reaches 32 or less cars a sportsman ladder for the number of cars remaining will be used to pair the cars. Car placement on this ladder will be determined based on reaction time for the last round that was randomly paired.

If weather has caused the loss of one or more rounds of qualifying sessions, any entrants not qualified will be required to choose an index from the following list:
15.0, 14.0, 13.0, 12.0, 11.0, 10.0, 9.0 Competitor must submit their index to the race director on the last day of qualifying. Competitors will compete with their chosen index through eliminations. Any competitors who fail to submit their index on the qualifying day will automatically be assigned a 15.89 index.

Class Guidelines

RULES & REGULATIONS
Any modifications, vehicle weight, or power adders permitted. Any gear change must occur as a result of an internal function of the transmission or from direct action by the driver. Pneumatic, electric, hydraulic, etc. shifters prohibited. Trans-brakes and 2-steps permitted.

WHEELS
WHEELS: Spindle-mount front wheels prohibited.

RACING AIDS
Delay boxes, cross-over boxes, or any “reaction-time related” electronic bracket racing aids prohibited in this class. Throttle stops and all related throttle-stop type accessories prohibited.

ET LIMITS
The quickest qualifying ET permitted in this class is 9.10; the slowest qualifying ET permitted in this class is 15.99 Any qualifying pass quicker than 9.100 or slower than 15.99 will be disqualified and will not be counted. Competitor will be permitted to re-qualify if additional qualifying rounds are left. There is no ET limit (minimum or maximum) in eliminations. Competition will be regulated under standard NHRA “First or Worst” competition policy during qualifying and eliminations.

CREDENTIALS
CREDENTIALS: See general regulations.

DEEP STAGING
Deep staging is permitted, however not advocated. If you plan to Deep Stage it is strongly recommended that you boldly display the words DEEP on all four windows, in plain view of the starter. It is always the driver’s responsibility to stage the vehicle prior to the tree being activated. In any event, the driver must be prepared to leave as soon as the final stage light is lit.

A competitor with the words DEEP displayed on the window is not necessarily obligated to deep stage. As well, the starter is not necessarily obligated to wait on a driver to deep stage, even if the words DEEP are displayed on the vehicle. All drivers must be prepared to leave as soon as the final stage light is lit.

ADVERTIsING
GRAPHICS: Graphics (for advertising or creative purposes) permitted on entire body, including doors, hood, rear quarter panels, front fenders, wing, etc.
CONTINGENCY DECALS: in order to be eligible for NMRA official contingency program, all contingency decals are required to appear only on the rear quarter windows or rear window in a clear and organized fashion. Contingency decals may not be overlapped or modified. Other decals and sponsorship (non-contingency) may appear on bodywork, front end, and on windows.
NMRA REQUIRED DECALS: The following decals are required for competition in NMRA events.
NMRA Windshield Decal – must be installed on top of windshield. This NMRA decal must be the only decal on top of windshield. Other vehicle sponsor decals may be placed at base of windshield.

NMRA 2006 Drag Racing Series “Side” Decals – must be installed on each side of vehicle on quarter windows.

Class Sponsor Decal – class sponsor decal must be installed on base of windshield on the passenger side.

Permanent Numbers – permanent numbers are required for competition in this class. Must be on front, rear, and both side windows.

CLASS & SAFETY REQUIREMENTS
It is the participant’s responsibility to familiarize oneself with the class requirements as found in the 2006 NMRA rulebook and the safety requirements as found in the 2006 NHRA rulebook.
The participant agrees that the participant bears the ultimate responsibility at all times to ensure the safety of participant’s vehicle and to ensure that participant complies with all applicable NHRA & NMRA rules. The participant agrees that participant is in the best position to know about the construction and operation of participant’s vehicle, equipment, and clothing, and whether there has been compliance with all applicable NHRA & NMRA rules.

RULES ADJUSTMENTS, MID SEASON LOG
Date: Adjustment:
None at this time.

[MV50]

Open comp is a bracket class right, well I geuss I could run both, but I just don't like bracket racing, but hell a may do it any way.:rolleyes:

What kind of racing DO you like? True Street/Wild Street it's just you and the clock. Isn,t that correct? So you want more money and exposure for what boils down to an exhibition? I have run Wild Street, Brackets, OC and loved them all, for what they were. Try and put it in perspective....To try and be competitive in DR I have spent $100g's over 2 seasons and others I'm sure have dumped alot more. Check out DR purse sometime. :eek: ..and before you label all heads up racers as rich guys you have no clue...DR is filled with guys that bust the azzes and sacrifice alot to do what they do. If you want to be part of the entertainment then keep running Wild Street. But if you want to "Race" then Step Up!

[R347GT]

What ever dude you sat right there and said you put 50 thou in consecutive years into your car. And you don't have any money right. I don't have that much in my entire car+trailor. And it's takin me six years most of which was done out of my own pocket. Ask around buddy you see who's got that kinda money layin around. Look I didn't say you guys didn't bust your ass. What I said was you have more money than most, And that I don't have the kinda money to stick into a car. If you've got a problem with that than I guess you'll just have to have a problem with it because frankly I don't care. And another thing I got respect for you guys, I mean it would be a dream for me to be able to run a car of that magnatude, but I got to be realistic about what I can and can't do. And I'm facing facts I don't even make 25 a year. So you turn around and put yourself in my shoes. And another thing the NMRA acts like were there already giving to much in that class hell, I'm talkin maybe 100 or 200 extra for the winner and small amount of contengency. I'm not askin for 3grand just a little. I mean for that kinda a money I'm sure you'll jump ship off the DR to WS, yeah.

[RustangGT98]

What ever dude you sat right there and said you put 50 thou in consecutive years into your car. And you don't have any money right. I don't have that much in my entire car+trailor. And it's takin me six years most of which was done out of my own pocket. Ask around buddy you see who's got that kinda money layin around. Look I didn't say you guys didn't bust your ass. What I said was you have more money than most, And that I don't have the kinda money to stick into a car. And another thing I got respect for you guys, I mean it would be a dream for me to be able to run a car of that magnatude, but I got to be realistic about what I can and can't do. And I'm facing facts I don't even make 25 a year. So you turn around and put yourself in my shoes.
Dude you're killing me, you keep saying that all heads up racers have way more money than the average joe, you couldn't be more wrong... heads up racers have way more of an addiction to speed and the competitive aspect of racing, and find a way to set more money aside for their PASSION than the average joe. Its usually not a "fun, weekend getaway" for heads-up guys, its a way of life that most could not live without, the fun part comes with the hard work and dedication paying off on a Sunday afternoon.
I will agree that most guys can't run SS/O or Pro 5.0 without a ton of financial backing, but it's not because they look pretty and have shiny cars, its because they have worked hard for what they have and are the best of the best at what they do.

I'm not sure how many NMRA events you have attended, or how much time you have spent in the pits, especially at 4 a.m. on a Saturday night, when all the partying folks have long passed out, and there are still lights on, generators buzzing, and wrenches turning in numerous pits with guys (even in the lower classes of P/S and F/S) scrambling to get there cars ready for first round on Sunday.
I know what its like, in Bradenton we switched out 2 clutches before 2nd round of qualifying, a transmission saturday night, and went out first round. In Georgia we sheared the teeth of of the ring gear during third round of qualifying, found a very generous racer willing to sell his backup ring and pinion (thanks Zoop;) ) stayed up until 4 am switching it out, to break the transmission in the first round of elims.
I don't know how much you are expecting in payouts, but all of the ordeals mentioned above we're regarding classes that payout $400 to WIN, and you want more for Wild Street??
I understand your point of view completely, and half-heartedly agree, but until you jump in head first I don't think you have any room to complain, if you aren't happy with the NMRA's wild street, then wait until WFC and have at it for the big payout, with the 7 second "street cars" that you would be complaining about should be outlawed the monday after the first weekend they would show up for the raised purse in the NMRA.

BTW- I make less than you a year, and guess what class I'm building a car for....... D/R Hope to see you out in Martin, and I wish you the best of luck with whatever class you choose to participate in.:)

[R347GT]

All what you are saying is right, but I to have busted my tail to get my car the way it is just to have it run for 10 min. and, find lash caps swimming in the motor. But I geuss your right, I'm barking up the wrong tree, because no matter what I say or anyone else for that matter there not going to change a thing. I know you guys work hard, but like I said I just don't have the backing wish I could find some help. Because I do love the nmra just wish they show WSer's just a small amount more love. Thanks for taking things in prospective, I definetly need luck.;)

[Turbo T76]

If you think the payout is not enough in NMRA wild street, just try and run with Fun Ford weekend True street. the payout over there is not even half of what NMRA pays to the winner. NMRA also give you a five foot trophy for the fastest car unlike FUN FORD! I know because I won an event with both series. Its just like everyone is telling you, the race is for everyday streetracers just looking to have a good time and get some track experience. If you want more money try racing another venue, or try building your car for another class like me. My personal opinion on both series is that NMRA treats the wild street participants better! hopefully I will be running Drag Radial real soon, cars coming along slowly, and that is being built for NMRA not FFW!! good luck , hope you find a class that works for you!!!

[billydroveit]

Oh I forgot to mention, I love the nmra give me um uh us more reason to love it.;)

Does it hurt to be that stupid.

I have read this post and totally agree with NMRA for what they are doing in it. Applause gentleman, i love this class and have and will continue to participate. This is how the EVERYDAY street guy gets his head into the papers for a little smoke to be blown up their a$$e$. I think it's worth a few extra penny's to say you competed at a national event, and got national paper coverage for it. I love NMRA, and the people who run it are fantastic. Don't listen to these guys leave Wildstreet the way it is.

Long Live TRUE 10.5 NMRA SSO racing. This is the wildest show on 10inches of rubber!

[radialcoupe]

i am lazy and didnt read thru all the posts, but doesnt wild street get free entry in the brackets on sunday? if they do its worth the entry fee to get to race on sunday. just my thoughts

[R347GT]

Does it hurt to be that stupid.

I have read this post and totally agree with NMRA for what they are doing in it. Applause gentleman, i love this class and have and will continue to participate. This is how the EVERYDAY street guy gets his head into the papers for a little smoke to be blown up their a$$e$. I think it's worth a few extra penny's to say you competed at a national event, and got national paper coverage for it. I love NMRA, and the people who run it are fantastic. Don't listen to these guys leave Wildstreet the way it is.

Long Live TRUE 10.5 NMRA SSO racing. This is the wildest show on 10inches of rubber!

Just wanted to shed some light on see what people thought about it. BUT I CAN SEE YOU HAD TO REPLY WITH A JACKASS COMMENT. Just so you know I have not won an event or even ran in one yet, but I plan too very soon. More interested what people have to say constructively, like the guy that said something about the bracket class on Sun. If that pays contengency hey it's all good, may run either way. Thanks NMRA, just wanted to test the waters see what you guys thought.

[R347GT]

Just would like to know why that Wild Street is not treated the same as the other classes


I think R347GT is asking for the same level of payouts for the WildStreet class and also for contingency payouts. The WFC folks really attracted a large amount of WildStreet type race cars and the same would likely work for the NMRA if they offered up some real jack.

We pay, we should get to play and make jack like the big boys do. I don't think it would be impossible for the NMRA brains to throw some weight around and scare up some jack for these folks that bust their humps to compete like they do.

Throw us a bone and we'll take it and run with it. You'll likely see those "small time" classes prosper and become more competitive. Imagine the possibilities..

Best thing said this entire thread.;)

[R347GT]

You actually made my point for me. The WFC offers a BIG Wild Street payout and encourages traveling big-name serious racers.

We're not looking to copy WFC's Wild Street program.

I'm a little confused. Are you suggesting that we pay a much bigger purse with contingency but keep the serious guys out?

How would you accomplish that?

James all I mentioned from the get go is possibly make it just a little more, not a major increase, a couple hundred extra is not going to bring Glidden out of retirement. And don't get me wrong I like the way everything else is setup definetly you guys put on one hell of a show. Makes me proud to be a stanger. But that's not going to make a major difference, it still be about the same, just the quickest guy will have gas money to get home. What about the free entry into the bracket class James, give me some detials.:confused:

[gilmoujr]

Would someone close this thread.

This guy hasn't even run in NMRA yet... and already complaining... Not Cool.

What is your goal here? What you ae accomplishing is pissing everyone off. We in the NMRA are a strong group of FRIENDLY racers and what you are doing is alienating yourself before you even get here. Just relax a bit. If you want more money - run another class. Want contingency? Run another class. I am sure that your car would fit into at least 1 class other than just WS. I think you have beat this horse for too long... Give it up. The rules/payouts/contingency WILL NOT be changed for just one person. That is why most of the guys here run in NMRA.

[radialcoupe]

Would someone close this thread.

This guy hasn't even run in NMRA yet... and already complaining... Not Cool.



well sh** jim,. i thought he had raced before. take a look a tim huspen....8 sec car, well capable of running drag radial, yet comes out and runs wild street, with no contingency. i dont hear him complaining, and if i remember correctly he has 3 or 4 of the fancy cap and gowns.

maybe instead of b*tching about the purse, that youve never even attempted to win, just come out and race.......or go over to ffw

[R347GT]

Hey everything I expressed here is friendly type tone, how about this let's lower the drag radial purse about 500 dollars sounds fair right. Look I don't want to make any enemy's here, and you don't know me for sh!t but if you ever pitted beside me anything I have that you can use that I'm not using your welcome to always, that's the way I treat everybody. I just asked for a few opinions not to be stoned, and I believe I adressed my last thread toward JAMES of the nmra, asking about the bracket class. :rolleyes:

[R347GT]

Thank everyone for there input good or bad.:D

[8 svo 4]

i ran the event last year at Atco and was more then happy with the $100 payout for 11second winner (although i should have done better) and the picture in Race Pages. If you are going to complain that teh payout isnt enough then spend the extra money and go faster... i dont even think this guy can win in wild street personally, so he is begging for something he cant get anyways... the only thing i think would be nice, which i asked the guys running the nmra booth, was how come there isnt a lounge for wild street on the message forum. That is the only difference i think should be made, other then that, i think the class is great and keep up the good work...

don't the wild street guys get to compete in brackets on sunday if they choose? where they have the baility to receive contingency and a larger purse?

[R347GT]

Nice thread to the baddest street car. Kudos NMRA, definetly impressive!:cool:

[Mark@Stangcrazy.com]

If they offer cont. and a bigger payout you will have people spending the type of money you have said you do not have.
That is their whole point.
Look at some of the cars at WFC in Wild Street. They could compete in SSO or Drag Radial. Your saying you cant compete in those classes right??? Well those are the kinda of racers that will show up if you offer a bigger payout and cont. NMRA is just trying to provide a class for the local street cars like yours that con not compete in a heads up class.

Lets see if you can win before you complain about the payout.

Good luck

[R347GT]

I may race it, but just would like to be able to get home and make it back with 20 bucks in my pocket. People are already spendin that kinda money, Hell If I would of changed a few things on my car while building car I already have that kinda of money in my car. Just don't know if I want to wear out slicks for pride or pocket. To be honest I don't care if they change a thing, because I'm going to run what I run and that'll be the end of it. One thing for sure racing is a money man's sport. I did'nt say I could win, I just presented them with an idea, and with resounding No. I mean there are local racers that enter Drag Radial weather they have chance or not, and I'm doing this mostly for fun.;)

[90GT398]

Does anyone remember when "True Street-type classes" only offered a trophy to win?

I do, and I remember faster cars back then than those vying for the "cap and gown" today.

In fact, NMRA Super Street Outlaw Racer Louie Proto ran in TS for a long time in the very same convertible that he's running in Outlaw today.

You want a payout/contingency, run a heads-up class. You want to have fun with your street car, maybe win a trophy, maybe make a couple bucks to cover your fuel and maybe hotel costs, run in Wild Street.

Once you introduce big payouts and contingency into a class, you're inviting traveling racecars, which is exactly what the NMRA does not want in Wild Street. Wild Street is for the local guy to come out with his wife/girlfriend/family and get exposed to the NMRA experience and have tons of fun, and in turn, the NMRA exposed to new fans.

Remember also that Wild Street does not include the need to purchase an NMRA membership.

Which part of this are you guys missing?

I had to double check the name on this post to make sure it wasn't George Klass :D

[NMRA Jason]

Nice, Carl.

By the way, show me anything in that post that's incorrect. :)

[90GT398]

Nothing is in-correct, it is dead nuts right on. Most of the Drag Radial and SSO guy's came up through the True/Wild Street ranks. Dan Millen started in True Street, Dave Hopper, Trace Meyer, the list goes on and on.

[killerkx327]

What ever dude you sat right there and said you put 50 thou in consecutive years into your car. And you don't have any money right. I don't have that much in my entire car+trailor. And it's takin me six years most of which was done out of my own pocket. Ask around buddy you see who's got that kinda money layin around. Look I didn't say you guys didn't bust your ass. What I said was you have more money than most, And that I don't have the kinda money to stick into a car. If you've got a problem with that than I guess you'll just have to have a problem with it because frankly I don't care. And another thing I got respect for you guys, I mean it would be a dream for me to be able to run a car of that magnatude, but I got to be realistic about what I can and can't do. And I'm facing facts I don't even make 25 a year. So you turn around and put yourself in my shoes. And another thing the NMRA acts like were there already giving to much in that class hell, I'm talkin maybe 100 or 200 extra for the winner and small amount of contengency. I'm not askin for 3grand just a little. I mean for that kinda a money I'm sure you'll jump ship off the DR to WS, yeah.

look here, why don't you pull off your skirt and drop your purse, quit your damn whining already.
i have a mid 9 second street car that runs all motor with a manual tranny. my car doesn't fit into any class of heads up racing unfortunately.
so when the NMRA comes near my neck of the woods i will hotshoe it in the wild street class just for the fun of it.i won't cry about not getting enough money.
i'm not going to sugarcoat this like everyone else is. this class is not designed to be a competitive class, so be damn lucky you even get a payout.who are you to think you need more money to show up with your street car for one event out of the year make a 13 second pass and get paid $600 for doing it?
just go out there and have fun and enjoy these great race events, and be glad you live in america and have the oppurtunity to be a part of something bigger then yourself.
or build a race car for a specific class like everyone else does.
John boschma

[R347GT]

Wow, mid nines. Your slow and your car is slow. No one is whinning, so just pipe down. I do this for fun just like you I'm not looking for something to turn in on my taxes. Hell just would like to see NMRA grow, thought it might even help there car counts further. Hell if nothing else I would be hurting myself, because if more did show up, I'd get my doors blown. My cars not all the fast either, It's fast for what it is but it's no monster. So stop the bashing, just thought some people would like to see plenty of cars in Wild Street. Nothing more not looking to dig in NMRA's pocket.:rolleyes:

[speer13]

R347GT you need to remember that NMRA is a business...and they give us a place to race... it really doesnt matter what they are putting in their pockets... to have an event all of the money collected needs to go into the classes accordingly would it be fair to a sso guy that pays 125,000 to build a car and then 2000 dollars in fuel tires and parts to get paid slightly more then a guy that has a 2000 into his car total not to mention the fans the car brings in? Racing is like the work world, you wouldnt get a raise unless you stepped it up somehow... and your boss is always going to make the most money! Another thing as pay gos up so does the competition and the car count decrease not increase, what if they said we will increase the payouts to the top 5 average times ... where now best 10-14 second averages win and would get paid... increase the pay and you get 8-9 second cars now cars running 12's or faster get paid and the cars slower dont bother anymore and I'm sure there will be more 10-14 second cars then there would be 8-12 second cars showing up.......

bottom line is in the overall scheme you get what you pay for...

[NMRAPaul]

Ok, we've had a month and 57 posts, and I think everything that's worth saying on this topic has been covered in sufficient detail. Obviously, the one guy who's not happy with Wild Street is not going to be swayed by any form of persuasion, and the dozen or so people on the other side aren't buying into his argument, so at this point we're spinning our wheels. I'll be closing the thread now...