E-Towns BFG Drag Radial Showdown Rules Change.

[thebigdaddy]

Hi everyone. This is the BD

There will be a slight rule change at the BFG Drag Radial Showdown @ E-Town this year. In a effort to be fair to all racers I will allow the J-Trim as a means of a power adder, but only at 3250lbs and that's to be fair to those of you who wont be able to get a J-trim for that race...and some others might. Remember most of the Supercharger And Turbo cars already weigh over 3200lbs anyway.
So in a strong effort to see the outcome of J-trims in the class for the up coming season. All other vehicles will remain at the same weight @3100lbs. Also the weight must be bolted down....Please reply quickly... I want to hear from everyone...

Thanks Primetime...AKA BD..

P.S. Ok here is the deal..Raceway Park has a very tuff noise ordinance and this is the way things will go. Tech will be held on Saturday afternoon for Drag Radial. There will be 2 qualifying session on Sunday 10:30/12:30 and eliminations start 2:00. I'm thinking about holding a drivers meeting to talk about the up and coming season for drag Radial rules.. Maybe if Mike Galimi is available we can have him involved...JUST AN IDEA..

[Spence]

Thanks Big Daddy-O. atleast your giving us vortech cars a chance to see what it is actually worth.:D

[SHOWTIME]

N20 CARS 2900 LETS SEE THE AIR TEMP WILL PROB. BE IN THE 50'S SO THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD BE N2O CARS 2900 SUPERCHARGED CARS 2900 J TRIM 295O TURBO CARS EXCEPT BIG D 3100 BIG D 3450

[itsslo]

When is this challenge? wouldnt mind coming down to watch

[JHenke]

BD, I'm assuming this is the Fords @ E-town showdown. Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend. I'm sure my motor will be back together, but I'll be on my honeymoon. Good idea, trying out the j-trims. I already weigh 3270. Chris, I dont think I'd get close to 2900!

BD, what's up w/ race your sponsering @ Atco on Nov. 3, is there gonna be a radial class or is it just Mustang/GN? What's the 411, Terminator X?

[302blown]

the mustang showdown II is a saturday, are you moving it to sunday or something? if so will there be registration available sunday am?

BD, since you are going to allow j-trims will you allow 295/65 drag radials, I would like to run with you guys, shouldnt be a big deal I doubt My s-trim will keep up with you guys.

[thebigdaddy]

Originally posted by 302blown
the mustang showdown II is a saturday, are you moving it to sunday or something? if so will there be registration available sunday am?

BD, since you are going to allow j-trims will you allow 295/65 drag radials, I would like to run with you guys, shouldnt be a big deal I doubt My s-trim will keep up with you guys.

J-Trims r being allowed for the possible introduction in the NMRA class for the 2003 season. Just for test purposes only. The 295/65 tire is not a rule that is currently on the table at the NMRA or my events either. Sorry. The 325/50/15 tire becomes a big limiting factor to the faster cars in the class. If i allow 295/65/15 which is 29.9x11.5 vs 28.0x10.5 which a 325/50/15 is now amagine how fast the top cars would be. 8.50/8.60... so to let one car do it I must let everyone.

Question for ya? why do you run 4.30 gears in the first place..I mean the 295/65/15 tire explains it but y.

As for your other question.. The Mustang Showdown II and The Fords at Englishtown r different. What ever the rules r for the Mustang Showdown II they still r.

The BD

[JHenke]

Hey, BD, how about answering my question. Atco, Nov. 3. Mustang/GN. How's that run? I'm hoping to be back together by then. BD?:confused:

Al, nice try getting those tires legal!:rolleyes:

[thebigdaddy]

Originally posted by JHenke
Hey, BD, how about answering my question. Atco, Nov. 3. Mustang/GN. How's that run? I'm hoping to be back together by then. BD?:confused:

Al, nice try getting those tires legal!:rolleyes:

DON'T REALLY KNOW... I KNOW THAT YOU CAN EITHER RUN GN'S OR I THINK THERE IS USUALLY IS A RADIAL TIRE QUICK 8...NOT REALLY SURE.

THE BD

[302blown]

BD, the 295/65 tire is actually 29.9x10.0 per BFG specs, the 325/50 is 28.0x10.4 per BFG spec, realistically the 295 tire is taller but 1/2" less in width.

The reason why I run 4.30's and a 30" tire is thats the way I set the car up years ago, and poor boys like Me dont have the money to be buy new parts every time the NMRA decides it wants to change a rule.

well at the end of last year, the NMRA rule book only said 325 max width, no height requirements, then in the matter of weeks these tires become illegal....thats BS on the NMRA part, I tried to get wesley the rules guy to make a rule the if there is a rules change it would have to introduced to the racers ahead of time and be implimented the next season, but he didnt want any part of that.

does outrageous sponsor the showdown series at etown? if so what are the rules for DR?

thanks...

[JHenke]

Thanks, BD. I figured you might know something. Not much, but something. hehe

Al, I know they usually structure the rules around NMRA. But since the showdowns are on sat., the noise restrictions basically keep out cars like ours. So, ?, who knows.

[Notchme]

when did this get rescheduled for?
thanks!

[thebigdaddy]

Originally posted by JHenke
Thanks, BD. I figured you might know something. Not much, but something. hehe

Al, I know they usually structure the rules around NMRA. But since the showdowns are on sat., the noise restrictions basically keep out cars like ours. So, ?, who knows.

Jim the Mustang Showdowns are still on saturday which keeps loud cars out. For the Fords at E-Town event we have to qualify on sunday.. 10.30 and 12.00 eliminations start at 2.00...

The BD

[JHenke]

Thanks, BD. Like I said, I wont be at Fords @ E-town. I'll be high-rollin in Vegas. That's why I asked about Atco.

[Spence]

How many Vortech cars are going to show?, if only 1 or 2, then I would think that if J trim equipt we could run at 3100lbs. Just a thought. Big D should weigh minimum 3900lbs............hehehehe.

[thebigdaddy]

Originally posted by Spence
How many Vortech cars are going to show?, if only 1 or 2, then I would think that if J trim equipt we could run at 3100lbs. Just a thought. Big D should weigh minimum 3900lbs............hehehehe.

Run at 3100 with a J-trim. You don't even at 3100lbs with a YS.. None of you superchargers cars run at weight. If you did the car would be at least .2 faster..... Spence you need to get a real tuner on that car...and stop trying to do everything yourself. And don't even say that Job only tunes my car right, because that's a crock of ..you know what..Ask Big Bob or Henke Peter C. Ty Krean... He only tunes what you have...But if you car has a problem he tells you right away. Don't listen to all that other BS..

The BD

[Spence]

I guess your are always right, but FWIW, I havent had any tuning issues this year until Atco(and this was a wide band and alternator that went bad), the rest of the races have all been belt issues. and I had to run at more than 3100lbs to get my chassis geometry where I needed it, but since Atco I have made more changes that have cured that. I do things myself cause I cant afford to hire somebody to do every thing. Basically what I was getting at was, if you make us weigh 3250 with a J trim, if this is to show the NMRA what they are capable of, is the NMRA gonna make us weigh 3250 if they allow it into the rules in the future? I didnt see a need to slam me for my so called non tuning(which I think was pretty damn good looking my half ass performances). And I do have a real tuner now so :-P~

[thebigdaddy]

Originally posted by Spence
I guess your are always right, but FWIW, I havent had any tuning issues this year until Atco(and this was a wide band and alternator that went bad), the rest of the races have all been belt issues. and I had to run at more than 3100lbs to get my chassis geometry where I needed it, but since Atco I have made more changes that have cured that. I do things myself cause I cant afford to hire somebody to do every thing. Basically what I was getting at was, if you make us weigh 3250 with a J trim, if this is to show the NMRA what they are capable of, is the NMRA gonna make us weigh 3250 if they allow it into the rules in the future? I didnt see a need to slam me for my so called non tuning(which I think was pretty damn good looking my half ass performances). And I do have a real tuner now so :-P~

Hey Spence

Take a chill pill. First of all I know in the past you have had head gasket issues..(but I'll leave that alone). I appluade your efforts to, but let me say this. I want everybody's car to run to it's full potential.. I was just concerned about your car.(I was out of line...Sorry).
You know it's funny how things happen. Yesterday someone asked me who was going to BG, and I said IDK. So as the conversation continued your name popped up. That person started naming names, and when they got to your name they said that you weren't going because your car was broke. I replied , if I know Spence he'll be there. Then they replied,, I suggested to Spence that he should call Job to tune his car. Then I replied.... I've mention that to him in the past..Then their reply was.. I can't take my car to Job, that's BD boy and my car won't be tuned right. (Now that Offened Me)...Then I saw your post to me about the J-Trim and How I should weigh 3900lbs..

Listen Spence I've known you for a while now. If I thought for 1 minute that Job tunes my car better than anybodys esles. He wouldn't tune my car for long. Job has called me on the phone many nights, as late as 2 in the morning tuning cars asking for my help, for a car that he is tuning. Most of them r Drag Radial cars at that.. I stop what I'm doing to go help in any way that I can..Ask TY, Big Bob, Peter.C Manny, J Henke...Henke was on the dyno the same day I was, and my car was finished...Job told me he needs more injector..so they put 83 in and that wasn't enuff... So I said I have a friend that has new 160lb injectors I'll get him to drive them up for you. His dad told me leave and finished what I needed to do to my car..I said I'll leave when your car is ready..I helped him change his plugs, the injectors change a fuel regulator..Now if Job didn't want to do the best possible job, he could have said get new injectors and come back to the dyno another day.. and this happens all the time.

Now as far as the weight issue is concerned. Look y did we fight so hard to get the NOS cars to 3100lbs for 360/410 ci cars. If we still were going to run @ over 3200lbs. I'll be willing to bet that every NOS car that runs in DR is not heavier than 3140 I'll be willing to bet. Now the turbo and Supercharged cars Show up at the races over 3275 some as heavier as 3350. Last year I tested and tested trying to to go 8's and my car was 3120lb.. So when I went to battle with the NMRA about the rules I know i was at my limit...Listen I don't run a Supercharger and I'm just looking out for the people who does. Not to mention Prochargers don't make a J-trim. Or is what I did fair to the procharger cars..and BoB is On my team..Don't you think for 1 minute that it doesn't cause friction on my team... He would love to have the same chance to win that Big purse just as everyone else... The 3250 lbs was the weight that all of you guys run at so what was the big deal. I was trying to be fair to everyone. There r many guys that I know that run YS trims in this class that can't get a J-trim for E-town, should I let J-trims be the same weight as a YS. or a F1R or .....OR SHOULD i LET j-TRIMS BE 3100LBS and YS and F1R and Alex style turbo be cars be 2900lbs for that race.. a weight that I know they can't achieve....

SO REMEMBER THINK BEFORE YOU DRINK

THE BD

[Spence]

Points taken, and I appologize to you and Job if I offended either of you.

As far as BG goes, have I missed a race in the last 2 years?........hehe......as much crap as I have messed up, I always show.

the 3900lb comment was also a joke, nothing intended or implied. If you want me at 3250, I will be at that weight. And yes a J trim will be on my car.

[JHenke]

I'm glad to see you 2 boys playing nice again. BD, I'm still very appreciative for your help that night. Spence, all things aside, you did quite a good job tuning on your own.

[thebigdaddy]

Originally posted by JHenke
I'm glad to see you 2 boys playing nice again. BD, I'm still very appreciative for your help that night. Spence, all things aside, you did quite a good job tuning on your own.

Hey you guys know me I will get down in the trenches with either of you...Anytime...Guys just trying to show that I'm thinking about the class.. See Spence Jim's car is already at that weight...Oh yeah I've already got the low down on who has a J-trim.....Got my spies out.

See you in BG Spence the battle for #2 spot...

The BD....

[JHenke]

I'll be shedding weight over the winter (the car too). I've got some other surprises on the table too. See ya in march, in sunny Fla. :D :D

[Spence]

you already got the #2 spot BD. Peter or myself would really have to go some deep rounds to pass you, which is cool, was a good year for all. well according to my calculations with the loss of one race for us and you not losing one since you skipped one.....

spies.........they are everywhere.........