Sullivan Intake with carb for 4V's?

[Adam Smith]

I see that carburetors are permitted in PS but not a Sullivan intake to put it on a 4V set-up. Is there any reason for this or has no one ever tried or wanted to get a 4V carb set up in the class? I follow PS loosely and have read the rulebook. I don't see where 4V must be EFI equipped. Any feedback or info i could get from some of you in PS would be greatly appreciated. I would like to put in for a rules change to allow the Sullivan/carb set up on a 4V, but would like some input from you guys beforehand. Thanks in advance.....


Adam

[Shawn Johnson]

I would like the intake atleast for the EFI 4valves.

The one good intake for the 4valves is $3500 or better if you can find one...

Shawn

[Adam Smith]

Thats pretty much the exact reason why I would like to see the Sullivan accepted. If the FR500's were out there, it would be different. You have a FR for PS if you run this year/next year Shawn?

Adam

[Adam Smith]

That's a Super Victor intake basically, Not going to happen. EFI is long runners only and Carbs are dual plane.
The rule book states in it, that if it isn't listed as legal, then it isn't.

Does the fact that I am not interested in the car being EFI matter or not? I honestly don't know, yes I see its not an accepted intake, but would it be different if it was a carb set up?

Adam

[vrtical]

EFI is long runners only

really?

There needs to be more options available to the modular combos. How many aftermarket EFI intakes do the pushrod cars have to choose... I issued a petition last year to open up the modular intake rules to get more combos out, but it went on deaf ears. Maybe Shawn can help :D

[Shawn Johnson]

I doubt that I can help....

I do not have a FR500 intake and I've been looking for over a year now....

Any leads please send my way....

[Adam Smith]

Under intake manifold rules it says " Only NMRA accepted, commercially availible, mass-produced intake manifolds permitted" I don't consider the FR500 a mass produced intake. If they were mass produced, where are they at? :) I guess I would just like to seem some competitive 4V intake options availible.


Adam

[D2KStang]

I would love to see more options for intakes for the 4V modular in PS. When the only good intake availiable for the class is 3500, I don't know if one came avialiable I would purchase it for that type of money. I know Doug made a petition to the rules and I also did, but that did not help. Hopefully we will soon have more options.

Derek

[Underdog!]

Carb'd modulars are cool as hell :cool:

[TEI]

Intake manifold options for a 4v are on a very short list. The FR500's are on back order and also very expensive. The Sullivan, although considered a short runner by some, is an affordable and viable option. I would like to suggest approval for both carbs and efi.

Currently, the modulars are 2 tenths short of the top cars. This manifold may help to get them to that level. IF they surpass the top cars, then add weight.

[Adam Smith]

Intake manifold options for a 4v are on a very short list. The FR500's are on back order and also very expensive. The Sullivan, although considered a short runner by some, is an affordable and viable option. I would like to suggest approval for both carbs and efi.

Currently, the modulars are 2 tenths short of the top cars. This manifold may help to get them to that level. IF they surpass the top cars, then add weight.

I agree 100% as I am sure many other people will as well. Hopefully the NMRA is one of them :)

Adam

[Brandon Alsept]

The only way I think it should be allowed would be as a carb intake:rolleyes:

[Underdog!]

I'd be more than happy to use it with a carb, and take the minor weight hit. :cool:

[Underdog!]

LOL. Not personally mind you, I like my setup and aint changin' :D But, I do think the intake should be considered, for nothing else, an affordable option for the FR500.

[rmracing]

Currently, the modulars are 2 tenths short of the top cars. This manifold may help to get them to that level. IF they surpass the top cars, then add weight.[/QUOTE]



My pushrod car is 2 tenths of the top cars ,what kind of break do you think i can get.

Rocky

[teddy]

More than likely because there isn't a Gene or Rich running F.I this year the carbs will probably be hit with a penalty.

[TEI]

My pushrod car is 2 tenths of the top cars ,what kind of break do you think i can get.
Rocky

Rocky,
Like Teddy stated, your benchmark is the 30's set by Gene and Rich. The only benchmark set by 4v's is the .55/57 set by Brandon and Victor.

[rmracing]

John , I just want a 200 pound break for black 89 gts so i can get to the top of this class . that would put me right in the mix of things . Sorry Im just trying to amuse myself .

Rocky

[KenB]

Rocky,
Like Teddy stated, your benchmark is the 30's set by Gene and Rich. The only benchmark set by 4v's is the .55/57 set by Brandon and Victor.

Actually it was a .51 in Georgia second time out with the car. So we should be moving that benchmark shortly. :eek:

[Shawn Johnson]

Actually it was a .51 in Georgia second time out with the car. So we should be moving that benchmark shortly. :eek:


Don't move it too far before I can get in the game....:D

[Brandon Alsept]

Let me drive either of them (2 passes)and see what the MARK becomes.... I'm not trying to be smart about it, just thinking outloud.

So whats are you trying to say Gene?

[KenB]

Let me drive either of them (2 passes)and see what the MARK becomes.... I'm not trying to be smart about it, just thinking outloud.


Well if we want to see the best time in the car we might as well just skip that and put Ron in Victor's car then. :D

[VTEngines]

haha...now its gettin good. :D

[KenB]

Atleast you admit that it wouldn't set a "mark" if you were driving, but it's also nice to think that I could make mine go faster with less power.....:D



That's because my head still fits in my helmet...that explains why you had to stop racing I guess.

Don't believe everything you hear about dyno numbers, if anyone should know that, you should. Hell, you're then one that taught me that lesson.

[KenB]

If that was the case, don't you think I would have had to quit midway through the season last year? Anyway, if it's the truth, then it aint bragging. Funny that it took me 2 years to say it though, I guess I was a little modest about it. Just tired of listening to the excuses now.
And I quit instead of whining... The rules aren't FAIR at this point and I knew it, so instead of constantly complaining about "I need this and that", I'll just wait like the Fast guy did.
But I also seem to remember you raced a few races last year... Does your helmet not fit this year?
Dyno numbers means alot, but only if you know how to use what numbers it gives you.


Gene,

I don't think you see my complaining about anything. Or anyone from Team MD. We know the cars have more in them. Each of the 2 4V's have only made 2 races and both picked up from race to race. I agree that the carbs have an advantage, but right now I don't care as much about that as I do about getting our 4V's performing like they should.

I'm not racing this year because of quite a few things. One being budget, and I also don't see a point in having 3 MD 4V cars.

You're right, dyno numbers mean alot. And you probably also know that the peak numbers don't mean as much as the curve. I have the advantage of dynoing both 5.0 and 4V PS cars and as you probably know by comparing your graph to your brothers, the curves are quite a bit different.

Ken

[KenB]

Let me rephrase that, the rules are very FAIR, just the weight penalty isn't.

I agree and if anyone were to look closely at it, I'm sure the would too. I guess it's up to the NMRA to make the change. If they don't, then the class will go back to 6 or 7 cars. Make a change now while you have 12-16 people showing for each race.

Ken