Revisions for parity are now closed

[Thom Bates]

Rules revisions for the sake of performance parity are now closed for the remainder of the 2006 racing season. Only if there is grave desparity between various combination will the Competition Committee even consider a change. The Competition Committee will still accept recomendations, but be forwarned that there will be an extremely slim chance of a change.

Expect to see official written Promedia policy concerning rules changes for parity in the near future.

Rules revisions and technical bulletins can be expected for those items that are/were written in fault, or for items that have been blatantly missed.

Thom Bates
NMRA Senior Technical Advisor

[sam sso2077]

What Parity? dropping weights where they're not needed. Lack of "rulebook" enforcement, what freak'n joke.

Typical NMRA

[Thom Bates]

What Parity? dropping weights where they're not needed. What freak'n joke.

Typical NMRA

Let me see here Sam:

Best 3 passes of the weekend:

Sam Vincent: 7.673, 7.589, 7.569 = ave: 7.610
John Urist : 7.634, 7.627, 7.623 = ave: 7.628
Jarret Halfacre : 7.647 (only good pass) = ave: 7.647
Don Burton: 7.768, 7.644, 7.644 = ave: 7.685


Looks to me that between these four combos, there's pretty close parity, less than .07 difference.

That being said, not only did YOU have the best pass of the weekend, but also the best average of your 3 best passes. What else do you want?

Stop complaining and keep racing.

Thom

[sam sso2077]

[QUOTE=Thom Bates]Let me see here Sam:

Best 3 passes of the weekend:

Sam Vincent: 7.673, 7.589, 7.569 = ave: 7.610
John Urist : 7.634, 7.627, 7.623 = ave: 7.628
Jarret Halfacre : 7.647 (only good pass) = ave: 7.647
Don Burton: 7.768, 7.644, 7.644 = ave: 7.685


Looks to me that between these four combos, there's pretty close parity, less than .07 difference.

That being said, not only did YOU have the best pass of the weekend, but also the best average of your 3 best passes. What else do you want?

1. Not having to have it on kill to keep up.
2. The rules enforced!


I knew you would say that, here are the facts
You forget, that was w/ 3 stages, yes three stages of nitrous (825hp worth) and lasted two runs, when I raced John and it went the slower 7.67 it was because on the 7.56 run it droped a cylinder, and on the 7.58 dropped two more cylinders. So when I ran John, I had 5 good cylinders, and three that pumped about 80lbs each.

Yeah, it was fast for two runs, but it was a timebomb! If I build it to run fast and stay together in the heat for an entire race like the blower cars it would run mid to high 60's in the heat and they do it with slow 1.30 60's when I have to have a 1.16-1.18 60's (whick don't happen on 130* track temps)to run with them, and If I even slip little and have a 1.23-1.25 vs their 1.30 60's, I get beat! So I have a good track to have a shot.


And letting people pass the scales and going after them in any class, Shame Shame.

Thanks, but i'll find somewhere else to race!

and lastly & my favorite, you guys put 50lbs on the BB/nitrous combo, which last ran a best of 7.75 or so and hadn't been ran in almost two years since. So tell me what DATA did you guys use for that increase?

[Smav347]

So is that it for you Sam? Your fans are going to be disappointed.

[Thom Bates]

I knew you would say that, here are the facts
You forget, that was w/ 3 stages, yes three stages of nitrous (825hp worth) and lasted two runs, when I raced John and it went the slower 7.67 it was because on the 7.56 run it droped a cylinder, and on the 7.58 dropped two more cylinders. So when I ran John, I had 5 good cylinders, and three that pumped about 80lbs each.

Yeah, it was fast for two runs, but it was a timebomb! If I build it to run fast and stay together in the heat for an entire race like the blower cars it would run mid to high 60's in the heat

Let me get this straight...... first round you run against a car that qualified 6 tenths....that's right 6 full tenths behind you, and you set it on kill?? Tell me how the rules and the rules committee has anythig to do with that?:confused: You flat out admit "I build it to run fast and stay together in the heat for an entire race like the blower cars it would run mid to high 60's in the heat"... Why didn't you run it like that? You would have still had an 8 tenths advantage. :confused:

On your 7.58 run...I bet everyone wishes thier car ran that good with a hurt cylinder....... second quickest run of the event.

Had you simply put in the "mid 60" tune that you admit it'll live the entire weekend, you would still have had a good chance against Don in the second round.

and they do it with slow 1.30 60's when I have to have a 1.16-1.18 60's (whick don't happen on 130* track temps)to run with them, and If I even slip little and have a 1.23-1.25 vs their 1.30 60's, I get beat! So I have a good track to have a shot.

Everyone knows that it's the huge weight break you get (versus the blowers and turbos) that makes the 60' difference. That's part of the e.t. equation to running fast with the small block nitrous combination. You won't find a single 3100# SSO car going teens in the sixty foot...... physics says no way. Secondly, if anyone with any combo slips on their sixty, they are probably going home.


And letting people pass the scales and going after them in any class, Shame Shame.

You weren't there..... you don't know the facts. It doesn't affect you, and if I hav to do it again, the outcome would be the same.

Thanks, but i'll find somewhere else to race!
That's your choice. I'd rather you keep racing. This event was yours' for the taking. Many others could be also.


and lastly & my favorite, you guys put 50lbs on the BB/nitrous combo, which last ran a best of 7.75 or so and hadn't been ran in almost two years since. So tell me what DATA did you guys use for that increase?

I honestly don't remember the exact circumstances, but we had good reasoning. Notice I said reasoning...... we didn't have any DATA, and instead we used what we thought was good judgement. Again, the parity seems pretty close. Who knows, maybe we'll end up taking the 50# off for 2007, maybe we'll take more, maybe less..... the remainder of the season will help us decide.

[sam sso2077]

Thom, I didn't put it on kill, it was the same all thru qualifing and elim.. We just hadn't gott down the track, it finally hooked enough to get down the track finally 1st rd. elim.


i remember Urist running a 51 in the heat at Martin, sure he couldhave done it there, may not, who knows. When i had it tuned to live, it only ran high 60's at the same race John went mid to low 50's.. So I leaned on it harder, enough to run the same kind of #'s he has in the heat ,and it won't live.

Besides, the rule book says any ECU cable of traction control is not allowed ,yet The Motec is been allowed to run even though it has advanced TC capabilities.

Headers require collectors, a small strip of metal around 4 tubes in a flat pattern, IS NOT a Collector!

[Thom Bates]

Thom, I didn't put it on kill, it was the same all thru qualifing and elim..

Are you sure? You basically say so here:

Not having to have it on kill to keep up.

Yeah, it was fast for two runs, but it was a timebomb!

[Thom Bates]

Besides, the rule book says any ECU cable of traction control is not allowed ,yet The Motec is been allowed to run even though it has advanced TC capabilities.


Sam,
we addressed this last year. If ANYONE uses TC, the implications will be huge.

[Thom Bates]

Headers require collectors, a small strip of metal around 4 tubes in a flat pattern, IS NOT a Collector!


Would you please define for me a "collector"? We do not have a minimum length, nor a maximum diameter, nor a specific shape. We may change this for next year though.

BTW, why is it suddenly a problem now? I don't recall this being a problem last year when Billy ran it then? Is it just because they are finally going fast?

[sam sso2077]

Are you sure? You basically say so here:
I was just sating it as you did, twist it how you want it, I've been straight up.

I had the same tune-up in it all along at Joliet. By reading the plugs, it seemed fined, but apparently it wasn't, it was slowly eating itself alive, now wasn't. I had the engine out and apart 5 times since June, trying to keep up and it stay together ,and it won't. You don't see the blower on such a ragged edge, that they constantly tearing stuff up all the time.


No it was then too, But the NMRA will allow illegal stuff on cars that are not competetive, because they are not considered a threat to win, you have said that your self!

And He isn't the only one with them.

anf this No throttle body limit. aWilson 105mm flow 1520 CFM and their 95mm TB flowed 1400+ cfm. one can only imagine what a custom one off tb would flow. not saying thet're illegal ,cause thy're but way more than a single dominator will flow. how about a sheetmetal intake a dual 4150 style carb, that would be about 2000cfm? close ato a 125mm TB.

[sam sso2077]

Sam,
we addressed this last year. If ANYONE uses TC, the implications will be huge.

You keep saying that, the rulebook states ECU with TC abilities now allowed, yet you still allow, DO YOU CHECK for it EVERY run? once per race?

[sam sso2077]

Would you please define for me a "collector"? We do not have a minimum length, nor a maximum diameter, nor a specific shape. We may change this for next year though.

BTW, why is it suddenly a problem now? I don't recall this being a problem last year when Billy ran it then? Is it just because they are finally going fast?


I think most would agree that a collector has 4 inlet holes( 2above & 2 below) and a single outlet. A strap of metal around four tubes that you can stick your finger up between the tubes and the "so-called" collector or strap of metal is a slap in the face to restof us racers.

But hey it's your call, do what you want ,I really could give a $h!t anymore.

I'll race somewhere else, and not NMCA either

[brokeaceeclipse]

you know sam you could run all of that stuff if you wanted to. motec will work with nitrous and you could build the same "headers" as urist. no one says that you have to run a carb with nitrous. you choose to run nitrous. you could switch and stop whinning all of the time. 550 pound difference is ridiculous.

I have ear aches from all the whinning.

[SwillRacer]

you know sam you could run all of that stuff if you wanted to. motec will work with nitrous and you could build the same "headers" as urist. no one says that you have to run a carb with nitrous. you choose to run nitrous. you could switch and stop whinning all of the time. 550 pound difference is ridiculous.

I have ear aches from all the whinning.

I disagree. The NMRA should determine how fast they want a particular class to go. Then format the rules so that each different combo can get there. This may take time, however. Although I don't agree with alot of what Sam has said above, Sam shouldn't have to completely change around a very fast, proven combo to be able to run the number of a more dominant combo. Once NMRA gets all the different combo's within a tenth of eachother, then small periodic rules changes should be made in order to keep up with technology and/or maintain parity if one specific combo is proving dominant by a substantial margin. Whether NMRA is doing this or not is a matter of opinion that will vary widely depending on who you are and what you race. It's all very subjective.

This is just my opinion and not statement of fact. Flame away if you must....

[Smav347]

Well, the thing is Sam has run the number, faster than anyone this year I believe.

Dont you have a race to got Scott?

[sam sso2077]

I disagree. The NMRA should determine how fast they want a particular class to go. Then format the rules so that each different combo can get there. This may take time, however. Although I don't agree with alot of what Sam has said above, Sam shouldn't have to completely change around a very fast, proven combo to be able to run the number of a more dominant combo. Once NMRA gets all the different combo's within a tenth of eachother, then small periodic rules changes should be made in order to keep up with technology and/or maintain parity if one specific combo is proving dominant by a substantial margin. Whether NMRA is doing this or not is a matter of opinion that will vary widely depending on who you are and what you race. It's all very subjective.

This is just my opinion and not statement of fact. Flame away if you must....

thanks for your imput , Scott.

Curious as what we don't agree on?

[sam sso2077]

Well, the thing is Sam has run the number, faster than anyone this year I believe.

Dont you have a race to got Scott?

Believe you're dead wrong. I have been best of 7.55 in under 2000' DA, you do know what Density Altitude is don't you?

John as been a 7.51 in 3600DA. Do the math

[Smav347]

Dead wrong I am.

[sam sso2077]

Well, the thing is Sam has run the number, faster than anyone this year I believe.

Dont you have a race to got Scott?


You guys just don't have a clue as how and what to make a small block nitorus car fast.

Besides the power it take, It takes a good track, and other than Bradenton, we really havn't had one . Joliet wasn't to bad for the heat, but it still kills the smal lblock nitrous cars so much, not juston power, but as most everyone know, if it won't hook hard trying to leave the line hard( 60' in the high 1.teens), a small block nitorus car is done. Where as a blower/turbo car leaving much softer ( 1.28-1.32 60's) take almost no chance of spinning each pass. Where i'm on the edge every time of hooking or spinning. And even when you think you have pretty safe tune-up, it's still slowly eating itsself alive even when the plugs are looking good.

I believe swill racing used to run nitrous, I bet they know what I speak of.

[Smav347]

I can imagine. With those kind of times coming from a small-block on spray I'm sure there's damage being done on every pass. It's not something I'm looking forward to with my car either.

Is there anything that would make a nitrous engine live longer?

[sam sso2077]

I can imagine. With those kind of times coming from a small-block on spray I'm sure there's damage being done on every pass. It's not something I'm looking forward to with my car either.

Is there anything that would make a nitrous engine live longer?

If you have street car with just a couple 100 HP, it isn't no big deal on a 10:1 or even a 14:1 engine. But you spray 700-800hp nitrous on a 15:1+ engine. andit has tremendous amounts of cylinder pressure.

[90GT398]

Sam,

I am going to ask you an honest question, and I am not being a smart-alic.
I see you keep mentioning 60 footing the car, okay here is the question.

You have a 430 plus size engine, and from what you are typing here spraying anywhere from 700-800hp worth of nitrous, don't you think that might be a tad much for the little tires, I mean that is a helluva wallop for those tires to be taking on the initial hit and trying to stay hooked up anywhere.

Would there be anything wrong with building something smaller in the 400-420 range, and just turn it harder?

I am just curious and trying to learn something here.

[sam sso2077]

Sam,

I am going to ask you an honest question, and I am not being a smart-alic.
I see you keep mentioning 60 footing the car, okay here is the question.

You have a 430 plus size engine, and from what you are typing here spraying anywhere from 700-800hp worth of nitrous, don't you think that might be a tad much for the little tires, I mean that is a helluva wallop for those tires to be taking on the initial hit and trying to stay hooked up anywhere.

Would there be anything wrong with building something smaller in the 400-420 range, and just turn it harder?

I am just curious and trying to learn something here.

I don't spray all the 700-800hp in one shot, it is spread of three stages. first is about 350-400. I went down 50hp on the first stage, and it kills it to much.

And you're on the right direction. I would like t oturn it higher and only spray it 500-600hp. Just don't have all the resources like BG does. might putr a shettmetal intake, twin dominators, and try L/S . not real sure at this point though.
Thanks for asking.

[90GT398]

Thanks for the response Sammy.

[SHOWTIME]

You guys just don't have a clue as how and what to make a small block nitorus car fast.

Besides the power it take, It takes a good track, and other than Bradenton, we really havn't had one . Joliet wasn't to bad for the heat, but it still kills the smal lblock nitrous cars so much, not juston power, but as most everyone know, if it won't hook hard trying to leave the line hard( 60' in the high 1.teens), a small block nitorus car is done. Where as a blower/turbo car leaving much softer ( 1.28-1.32 60's) take almost no chance of spinning each pass. Where i'm on the edge every time of hooking or spinning. And even when you think you have pretty safe tune-up, it's still slowly eating itsself alive even when the plugs are looking good.

I believe swill racing used to run nitrous, I bet they know what I speak of.
Sam about a year ago you brought your wizardry to the DR board and said that a nitrous drag radial car could run at the top with the rules given.3200 lbs. single fogger or 2 stage plate right. Take your motor add 600 lbs and put radials on ithow fast will it go? Ronnine wilson weighs 2700 2 stage plate victor heads 430 cubes and runs 7.70s all day with no hurt parts and has done it with 1.20 60fts. He only sprays 450 he can be reached @ mustang specialties.

[sam sso2077]

Sam about a year ago you brought your wizardry to the DR board and said that a nitrous drag radial car could run at the top with the rules given.3200 lbs. single fogger or 2 stage plate right. Take your motor add 600 lbs and put radials on ithow fast will it go? Ronnine wilson weighs 2700 2 stage plate victor heads 430 cubes and runs 7.70s all day with no hurt parts and has done it with 1.20 60fts. He only sprays 450 he can be reached @ mustang specialties.

So, You couldn't even hang with the nitrous, so you switched power adders.

Maybe I will, maybe I won't. and I know about Ronnies car ,weighs 2620 like myself. and 7.70's won't cut it in SSO.

And I don't remember the weight being thatheavy on the nitrous cars, think it was more like 2900lbs.

[SHOWTIME]

So, You couldn't even hang with the nitrous, so you switched power adders.

Maybe I will, maybe I won't. and I know about Ronnies car ,weighs 2620 like myself. and 7.70's won't cut it in SSO.

And I don't remember the weight being thatheavy on the nitrous cars, think it was more like 2900lbs.
Its not that I couldnt hang. I got tired of puting parts in it every race. So the smart thing to do is to switch. Now the weight is 3000. Not a year ago.

[mike rousch]

You keep saying that, the rulebook states ECU with TC abilities now allowed, yet you still allow, DO YOU CHECK for it EVERY run? once per race?

man, i thought you were a better person than that, you get on here and acusse john of cheating just cuz you think the rules are unfair. you know, if your car wont run in the heat, than change your combo. what, you think that you should be able to go to a race and not be so hard on your stuff and still win,lol. if your **** keeps blowing up, than hire someone that knows what there doing to tune your car. sounds like to me that you just cry like a little ***** cuz you aint get your way. but thats just my opionon

[NMRA Jason]

The name calling has to stop. If it doesn't, some people will get a permanent vacation.

Thanks.

[Thom Bates]

The name calling has to stop. If it doesn't, some people will get a permanent vacation.

Thanks.ooh, ooh, me me me!:D

sorry, just had to.

[Smav347]

Thumbhead:D

[NMRA Jason]

ooh, ooh, me me me!:D

sorry, just had to.

Don't forget, Thom, that I have incriminating pictures. I wouldn't want to see those end up in Race Pages...

[Thom Bates]

I have no idea what yer talkin about:D

[NMRA Jason]

Shall I show everyone?

[mike rousch]

yes, :)

[saleen_n_around]

man, i thought you were a better person than that, you get on here and acusse john of cheating just cuz you think the rules are unfair. you know, if your car wont run in the heat, than change your combo. what, you think that you should be able to go to a race and not be so hard on your stuff and still win,lol. if your **** keeps blowing up, than hire someone that knows what there doing to tune your car. sounds like to me that you just cry like a little ***** cuz you aint get your way. but thats just my opionon

Now, I guess I can say I have a dog in this fight, but you're talking about a guy that can put the heat WHEREVER he wants to on a spark plug electrode. Taking the engine out 5 times since Maple Grove is no fun. He's just a little fed up with a whole lotta stuff. you don't think he know's what he's doing, look at the points from years past, records and feel free to stop by our pit anytime you like. He know's what a 1/4 lb of fuel pressure in one fogger can make or break the next round. I am not cussing, calling names or picking fights, but you need to act like grown men. The only races Sam has missed in 5 years are because a) his house burned down, and b) because we need two or three sleeves, a new set of pistons and rods, and remember that pic of the broke crankshaft they took at michigan, yeah, it'd be nice to have another one of them back also. A whole lot of stuff broke at the wrong time of the season, namely the tightest part of the schedule. Give the guy a break.........There is nothing stating that John is cheating, but Motec is Motec....how about Lovell or Booze showing up with wheelie bars? That's all I got, no mud slinging, no name calling, just saying what's on my mind.

Thom, if you feel everyone's got enough to slug it out the rest of the season, alright. We'll see how it all plays out.


1.20 FUEL INJECTION

Fuel Injection: Any accepted fuel injection engine control system permitted. Aftermarket fuel injection systems which a implement any form or type of traction control or traction management are prohibited.


Does this mean if it's capable or if someone uses it? Let's clear this up now.



All right everyone back to their corners.

[mike rousch]

Now, I guess I can say I have a dog in this fight, but you're talking about a guy that can put the heat WHEREVER he wants to on a spark plug electrode. Taking the engine out 5 times since Maple Grove is no fun. He's just a little fed up with a whole lotta stuff. you don't think he know's what he's doing, look at the points from years past, records and feel free to stop by our pit anytime you like. He know's what a 1/4 lb of fuel pressure in one fogger can make or break the next round. I am not cussing, calling names or picking fights, but you need to act like grown men. The only races Sam has missed in 5 years are because a) his house burned down, and b) because we need two or three sleeves, a new set of pistons and rods, and remember that pic of the broke crankshaft they took at michigan, yeah, it'd be nice to have another one of them back also. A whole lot of stuff broke at the wrong time of the season, namely the tightest part of the schedule. Give the guy a break.........There is nothing stating that John is cheating, but Motec is Motec....how about Lovell or Booze showing up with wheelie bars? That's all I got, no mud slinging, no name calling, just saying what's on my mind.

Thom, if you feel everyone's got enough to slug it out the rest of the season, alright. We'll see how it all plays out.




Does this mean if it's capable or if someone uses it? Let's clear this up now.



All right everyone back to their corners.

im not trying to bash the guy, but when you say someone is cheating and getting away with it thats just wrong (especaily when you know there not). there isnt nothing on johns car that sam couldnt buy himself and be legal. you know motec sell's to the general public. you dont have to be "specail" to get one. maybe he should look into getting one!!! and the thing about the header collecters, come on now. do you really think that is worth any sort of power?? the nmra guys in my oponion have the rules dead on for this class, every combo allowed has been 50's. vincint went a .55, halfacer went a .54, burton has been a .56 i belive, and john has been a .51. i say that makes for some really good racing. you say he breaks parts all the time, true. well so does everyone else. i personaly helped john change a trans and a pro charger in one day. so he breaks alot of stuff to. i guess the point im trying to make here is everyone is out there leaning on there stuff to try to be on top, and in this class, thats what you got to do! ofcourse you are going to break stuff. it was his choice to go with a sb nos set up. not the nmra's or johns or any one else!

[saleen_n_around]

John and Amy are great folks, Sam's not out to bash them either. At the beginning of every event I am at, I make a point to go to them and as well at Trimadillis, Phil Hines, Manny(when he's around), Burton, Powell and the whole gang, shake everyone's hands, and make the offer, "Anything we can do let us know....."

Like I said, there's just a whole lot gone wrong at once.

No hard feelings, Mike. We'll all just have to finish up the season and let things fall where they're gonna. That's all Thom was starting out by saying.

[mike rousch]

John and Amy are great folks, Sam's not out to bash them either. At the beginning of every event I am at, I make a point to go to them and as well at Trimadillis, Phil Hines, Manny(when he's around), Burton, Powell and the whole gang, shake everyone's hands, and make the offer, "Anything we can do let us know....."

Like I said, there's just a whole lot gone wrong at once.

No hard feelings, Mike. We'll all just have to finish up the season and let things fall where they're gonna. That's all Thom was starting out by saying.

i agree 100% with you. thats one of the reason's i belive we all go to these events is to have fun and hang out with everyone. sure everyone is there to try to win. but when it all comes down to it, the partying at night, watching petty crack jokes(the best part of the weekend btw) and just hanging out with everyone is the best part! thats why i personaly got so ofended when sam started talking about cheating and complaining about everything. i didnt mean no offence to him or anyone else. i just thought it was messed up to say john was cheating, thats all. i hope to see you guy's in columbuis!!!

[sam sso2077]

i agree 100% with you. thats one of the reason's i belive we all go to these events is to have fun and hang out with everyone. sure everyone is there to try to win. but when it all comes down to it, the partying at night, watching petty crack jokes(the best part of the weekend btw) and just hanging out with everyone is the best part! thats why i personaly got so ofended when sam started talking about cheating and complaining about everything. i didnt mean no offence to him or anyone else. i just thought it was messed up to say john was cheating, thats all. i hope to see you guy's in columbuis!!!

Hey *****, , not saying John is cheating, just stating that NMRA says Traction control not allowed, but yet the Motec, which has a very advanced TC, is allowed when it shouldn't be. It was an issue last year also when Manny brought it up, but nothing was ever done!

And until you design one, build one, race one, spend every extra dollar and every spare minute of your life working on it, just sit back and watch!

[mike rousch]

Hey *****, , not saying John is cheating, just stating that NMRA says Traction control not allowed, but yet the Motec, which has a very advanced TC, is allowed when it shouldn't be. It was an issue last year also when Manny brought it up, but nothing was ever done!

And until you design one, build one, race one, spend every extra dollar and every spare minute of your life working on it, just sit back and watch!

so the 7531 (dig 7) box dont have a traction control feature?!?!?!? i guess they better outlaw that to right? if you think the motec has a advantage, than you should spend some more of those extra dollar's and buy one!

i have designed them, built them, raced em, and spent alot of money in them just like you! im sorry your not happy with your car, i think it runs great to be a nitrous car. instead of being on here crying about things since you havent done so well the past few races, go back in the garage and put it back together :)

[sam sso2077]

so the 7531 (dig 7) box dont have a traction control feature?!?!?!? i guess they better outlaw that to right? if you think the motec has a advantage, than you should spend some more of those extra dollar's and buy one!

i have designed them, built them, raced em, and spent alot of money in them just like you! im sorry your not happy with your car, i think it runs great to be a nitrous car. instead of being on here crying about things since you havent done so well the past few races, go back in the garage and put it back together :)


I havn't no 7531 box either. and no they have not tractio ncontrol. they have a slew rate that ifthe racer knows how fast his engine accelerates, he had adjust the slew just above that to catch the engine if it begins to accelerate to quickly, key here is you have to know how much is to quick to program in to it. The Motec uses driveshaft/wheel sensors, and when these sensors detect different speeds, it will compensate.

Don't worry, pistons & rods are being made, but probably won't arrive in time for Columbus

[cojo]

come on over to the clash of the titans Sammy! I for one would love to see your car in superstreet...I think you would have the field covered!

Joe, Houston, Texas

[teddy]

You don't see the blower on such a ragged edge, that they constantly tearing stuff up all the time.

I think Billy L. would have to disagree with this statement!!!!!