Where was Sam Vincent?

[Junk92]

I noticed he wasnt in attendence for the Atco race, anyone know what happened? Seemed odd to miss the race when he was pretty high in the points.

[Mike1174]

Read this thread, he says he'll race elsewhere.


http://www.nmraracing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53809

[Smav347]

If you're Sam Vincent fan check out the interview in the new issue of Race Pages.

[TIM]

Sam has alot of broken parts trying to keep up.

[manyponies]

Sam is not the only one who has broken ALOT of parts. I know what I have broken and see what alot of other racers break as well. Pushing the boundaries is what heads-up racing is all about. I know of plenty racers in outlaw who have broken as much or more parts than Sam. There are two ways of looking at the situation, you can learn from it and move on and be better than before or try to get everyone else slowed down.

I'm not passing judgment on anyone or arguing the parity or lack there of in the class. It does offend me to suggest that running a blower car is easy or at least easier than a nitrous car and that we hurt no parts. Everyone of these cars are an extreme challenge. To say that you don't have to worry about how a blower car leaves the line is not accurate either. Try rolling a 550# stone 60' in 1.25 seconds. Thats what a blower car has strapped to its back each pass compared to a nitrous car. Yes we do make more power but it takes that power to get moving and we have to apply more power to the same amount of rubber. Bottom line is it takes ALOT of hard work to make any of the cars fast.

[sam sso2077]

Sam is not the only one who has broken ALOT of parts. I know what I have broken and see what alot of other racers break as well. Pushing the boundaries is what heads-up racing is all about. I know of plenty racers in outlaw who have broken as much or more parts than Sam. There are two ways of looking at the situation, you can learn from it and move on and be better than before or try to get everyone else slowed down.

I'm not passing judgment on anyone or arguing the parity or lack there of in the class. It does offend me to suggest that running a blower car is easy or at least easier than a nitrous car and that we hurt no parts. Everyone of these cars are an extreme challenge. To say that you don't have to worry about how a blower car leaves the line is not accurate either. Try rolling a 550# stone 60' in 1.25 seconds. Thats what a blower car has strapped to its back each pass compared to a nitrous car. Yes we do make more power but it takes that power to get moving and we have to apply more power to the same amount of rubber. Bottom line is it takes ALOT of hard work to make any of the cars fast.

Yes, but with the extra weight you will have or alteast should ahave much better bias on the chassis if designed properly, my car scales 53/47% , front is as light as it will get.

To just say blower cars make more power isan understatement, they make a lot more power. Myseld is about 1350-1400, fro mwhat iv'e seen the supercharged cars are 2000hp or better ,big difference. So yes 550lbs is lot to carry, but at the power difference.

I aplaude you guys, you do seem to rely on 60's as to be part of agood pass for you, where some can 60' 1.30's and still run the ###'s with BIG topend power that a small lbock nitrous cars will never make ,that is why we have to rely pushing it to the limit off the line every pass, cause it takes a 1.16=1.18 60' to run mid 50's and with these hot summer tracks, just been about impossibe to do that.

Rest assured, I leard from my mistakes. I know what I need to do, and it will get done, just as soon as I have the money, as for now i'm tapped out. I have no major sponsors nor parteners now investors, just myself.

and lastly, I feel for all your parts breakage, but when you compare your car to a "fuel car" just because they're both supercharged, that's a pretty far senerio. fuel cars are violent cause of major boost wit hextremely high compression and the nitromethane makes hard on parts. not to say that you guys have it easy either, but there are a lot of other blower cars, that don't have the breakage you guys have had.

Congrats on the #1 qualifier.

[sam sso2077]

I noticed he wasnt in attendence for the Atco race, anyone know what happened? Seemed odd to miss the race when he was pretty high in the points.


Thanks for asking, not sure what the future holds at the moment. I really love the super street outlaw class, just don't care for the NMRA.

[manyponies]

I can compare tuning this car to a nitro car as I have done both and do know the similarieties. I'm not guessing or pulling info from thin air. Nitro is actually less violent than gas at high cylinger pressures as it is easier to control the burn rate. What has taken me two years and alot of broken parts is figuring out how to run a high compression blown gas engine. Now I have it figured out, but have work with parts suppliers to step up the strength of their parts to handle the loads I put on them. I wish I could tell eveyone and show them the parts I have broken in order to get to a power level that we are but that just leads uninformed people to make judgements about our part suppliers that are not true. We have great working relationships with vendors and I will not have our vendors ruputations trashed because I was able to break their parts on a consistant basis. I have valuable on track data to prove what breaks and when.



What is happening right now is what We as a team foresaw three years ago.

I was given the challenge by our team to develope an engine to make enough power to run consistant 7.40s at legal or above weight. The purpose was to force everyone else to do what we have done for the past three seasons and that is to go through the learning curve to do the same and in the mean time they will struggle the same as we did. During that time we would have a performance advantage on track and my company MME would have a sales advantage. We have made the power and the runs but need the extra part strength for consistancy. Even though I have the power figured out I will work harder this Winter than ever to do my best next year to carry out the plan we made three years ago. We have worked too hard and have come 95% of the way and will not let up now!


And by the way like you we are not try to go as fast as other guys using the same power adder. Likewise there are other nitrous car that are not burning up their cars every pass either. You and I choose to push the envelope.

[mike rousch]

Yes, but with the extra weight you will have or alteast should ahave much better bias on the chassis if designed properly, my car scales 53/47% , front is as light as it will get.

To just say blower cars make more power isan understatement, they make a lot more power. Myseld is about 1350-1400, fro mwhat iv'e seen the supercharged cars are 2000hp or better ,big difference. So yes 550lbs is lot to carry, but at the power difference.

I aplaude you guys, you do seem to rely on 60's as to be part of agood pass for you, where some can 60' 1.30's and still run the ###'s with BIG topend power that a small lbock nitrous cars will never make ,that is why we have to rely pushing it to the limit off the line every pass, cause it takes a 1.16=1.18 60' to run mid 50's and with these hot summer tracks, just been about impossibe to do that.

Rest assured, I leard from my mistakes. I know what I need to do, and it will get done, just as soon as I have the money, as for now i'm tapped out. I have no major sponsors nor parteners now investors, just myself.

and lastly, I feel for all your parts breakage, but when you compare your car to a "fuel car" just because they're both supercharged, that's a pretty far senerio. fuel cars are violent cause of major boost wit hextremely high compression and the nitromethane makes hard on parts. not to say that you guys have it easy either, but there are a lot of other blower cars, that don't have the breakage you guys have had.

Congrats on the #1 qualifier.

so if weight makes no diferance,let the turbo and blower cars run at 2600. hmmm, i would love to see those numbers!!!!! so far this year every combo has run in the 50's. i dont see why you would have a problam with the nmra, when you won the first couple of races i sure didnt see you on here crying about the nmra then???? i have seen you run 50's plenty of times. we all know you can do it. if your car dosent run well in the heat, change your combo! there are 3 others to choose from. just my 2 cent

[turbocoupe25-5]

Manny Buginga will he be back? The blower cars are kicking but from people are saying. So two guys out. Will they come back????

[brokeaceeclipse]

Manny Buginga will he be back? The blower cars are kicking but from people are saying. So two guys out. Will they come back????

proabably not, they are 2 of the biggest whiners.

[sso2028]

I can compare tuning this car to a nitro car as I have done both and do know the similarieties. I'm not guessing or pulling info from thin air. Nitro is actually less violent than gas at high cylinger pressures as it is easier to control the burn rate. What has taken me two years and alot of broken parts is figuring out how to run a high compression blown gas engine. Now I have it figured out, but have work with parts suppliers to step up the strength of their parts to handle the loads I put on them. I wish I could tell eveyone and show them the parts I have broken in order to get to a power level that we are but that just leads uninformed people to make judgements about our part suppliers that are not true. We have great working relationships with vendors and I will not have our vendors ruputations trashed because I was able to break their parts on a consistant basis. I have valuable on track data to prove what breaks and when.



What is happening right now is what We as a team foresaw three years ago.

I was given the challenge by our team to develope an engine to make enough power to run consistant 7.40s at legal or above weight. The purpose was to force everyone else to do what we have done for the past three seasons and that is to go through the learning curve to do the same and in the mean time they will struggle the same as we did. During that time we would have a performance advantage on track and my company MME would have a sales advantage. We have made the power and the runs but need the extra part strength for consistancy. Even though I have the power figured out I will work harder this Winter than ever to do my best next year to carry out the plan we made three years ago. We have worked too hard and have come 95% of the way and will not let up now!


And by the way like you we are not try to go as fast as other guys using the same power adder. Likewise there are other nitrous car that are not burning up their cars every pass either. You and I choose to push the envelope.


mark and bill i also give my congrats on your #1 qualifier and your last few performances 7.50's very impressive now you know how to do it, just got to keep it together a little longer. its good to see a few older teams start emerging after a few seasons of that dredded learning curve! i for one am no stranger to it! but we are also just starting to peek our heads out of the clouds . wish you luck and hope we see you at another event this season.

[impakn]

will be in bg new bullet in works gonna be first sso in 30s

[ONDGAS]

Yep.. Holdin' my breath for that one..........

[MCMANIOUS2001]

Hey Mark, when do you think you might finish that out of date Pro 5.0 that you have had for four years. I work for my self and if i treated my customers like that i wouldn't be for long. Oh yea before you build someone a pro 5.0 chassis you should learn how to weld, instead of having someone else do it.by the way that 2005-10.5w outlaw car that i called you about is coming along nicely. I wouldn't let you build me a lawn tractor

[teddy]

Hey Mark, when do you think you might finish that out of date Pro 5.0 that you have had for four years. I work for my self and if i treated my customers like that i wouldn't be for long. Oh yea before you build someone a pro 5.0 chassis you should learn how to weld, instead of having someone else do it.by the way that 2005-10.5w outlaw car that i called you about is coming along nicely. I wouldn't let you build me a lawn tractor
little slow to the party there?????? Since you don't post your name, your initials wouldn't be B.M. Would it?? I do believe Mark can weld very well, he's done it for years, but he now has SO MUCH work that he can't possible do it all and has a welder/fabricator do that end. Think he might be busy building top notch engines. But if it really bothers you so much that you need to come on the internet(Real big guy u are) and trash him, why don't you be a man and call him with your concerns.....oh yah, it doesn't involve you!!!!!!! Here's a quote from the F/S guys on stangcrazy---STFU!!!!!!

[CobraCrazy]

The only thing "Top Notch" would be the notch he left in my cylinder after he told me IT machined out( and yes it was in the path of the piston and rings crossing over it.). And as far as calling him to find out why . Good try getting him on the phone or even to call you back at his convenience. He doesn't want anything to do with you after he gets paid . I consider that to be the biggest waste of $18,000 we ever spent. And I still to this day tell anyone who wants to know how everything went down. I will never do business with him nor would I tell anyone too. So anyone who would like details go ahead and ask .

DAN SMITH <------ Here's my name I am not shy nor do I wanna hide it.

Gotta a Question or issue PM me. Mark or anyone with MME -- Don't bother your word is worthless to me.

[MCMANIOUS2001]

First thing my name is Russell McManious, second thing i don't need to call that piece of crap,They told me that they could have me an outlaw car built from the ground up, ready for the starting line in three months (why has it been four years and still no car for George?) If i want to find him all i have to do is look under someones Pro Stock car at the Creek. If I ever catch him under ours again im going to park my golf cart on his legs. and further more my chassis builder would never let anyone else weld on a customer's car but himself. If his work is so great why did we have to take Jerry's motor apart, hell they didn't even tighten the balancer up. And why does Billy's keep blowing up, they need stronger parts (what are they freeking John Force now). Mark needs to be cleaning the porto johns at the track.

[90GT398]

My goodness how did this go from where was Sam Vincent to flaming people?

[NMRA Jason]

Sorry guys, this one's done.