Nitrous and methanol ?

[zrchobbies]

On a gas setup, would running methanol with my nitrous hit allow me to safely run a larger shot. I run gas with gas/nitrous setup now at a 200 shot. Could I run a bigger shot with meth/N20 ?

[jacksonw]

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[zrchobbies]

I work with a fella that used to race a nitrous car and he says that it seems logical, but I'm really looking for a little more info/advise I have another motor but I would rather not have to swap stuff out.

[blownlightning]

It works well,But it is a tuning nightmare!

[zrchobbies]

Are you familiar with this type of combination? Just would like some pionters maybe some results/experiences you may have had with it.

[Ausie347]

Hi all, I am keen to hear of anyones experiences with metho/No2 also, I run a 347 with mechanical injection (metho) on a billycart, and I am toying with the idea of going to spray.

Nobody over here is doing it that I can see, but hardly anyone uses spray here.

Cheers

[96GTS]

Have you looked into running propane instead of fuel. I think its equivalent of 120 octane or something. Several Viper and SRT10 guys run this setup...

[Steve Johnson]

Ausie, I have worked with several guys using carb or injected Alky and then add nitrous and race gas. This works great and is really a little more forgiving then gas/gas...... Steve

[zrchobbies]

Never heard of running propane/nitrous inj. any more info?

[zrchobbies]

BTW. I will be running a 393ci windsor w/ trw forged pistons, cast iron heads, in front of a c4 mtb valve-body, 3.55 gears 255/55/16 dr's. Looking for close to 300hp shot when it's all said and done, just as safely as possible, thats why I wanted to know about the nitrous/meth. set-up the car is my daily driver so it does run on pump gas with the exception of when it goes to the track. If i get enough help I will probably run it, and I will just run a seperate cell for the mehanol just for the nitrous system. If snybody has any info on this it is very much appreciated. To those of you that have already posted thank you. I would also like to hear more about the nitrous/prop set up.

[96GTS]

http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=157638&highlight=propane

I guess its not as high octane as I was told. But still cheaper than 104 octane fuel. All the guys that run it in n2o systems are fuel injected, but I wonder if it can work on a carb'd motor? Can you run a high pressure (160-180psi) fuel source for just the n2o on a carb'd motor (the motor would retain the low pressure source).
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I dont know much about it, just what my buddy w/ the Viper truck has told me. I'll try to pick his brain later on...

[Steve Johnson]

It looks to my like your best bet would be to keep it simple. I plumb intakes for guys with similar set-ups all the time. Your going to be running on pump gas. That tells me your static compression isn't real high. If your looking for over 250 horsepower I would strongly recommend a direct port system. As you may know the Fords are very prone to picking on there four corner cylinders. With a plate you have no way to correct this. IAs I said, I would just run a seperate cell for race gas for the nitrous enrichment when needed. It works great this way, and is very easy to tune... Please let me know if I can help you out with a system and tuning help.. Thanks, Steve

[zrchobbies]

Thanks Steve,
I will definately keep you i mind. So you don't recommend running methanol in a seperate cell? I was thinking of this just because it would only make sense if you wanted to be able to add more timing and still continue to be safe. Not to mention the cooling effects of the methanol. I will keep you updated and will definately watch the thread.

[Steve Johnson]

I really don't see a need for it. I always like to stay along the "keep it simple" path.

As I said before, with a streetable static compression it will be a lot more timing forgiving then if the compression was high. If you run a race gas as your nitrous fuel enrichment it will add safety as well.

You won't be short on cooling effect!!! The nitrous coming out of the nozzles at -127 will be enough.

Please keep me in mind when your ready to go !! Thanks, Steve

PS, You may have noticed it looks like were both in Florida as well...

[zrchobbies]

I definately will keep you in mind, you have already been very helpful. Where in Fl are you located?

[Steve Johnson]

I'm in Spring Hill...... Steve

[zrchobbies]

I don't believe thats to far from starke. I'm hoping to have the car done in time for ffw in orlando.

[Steve Johnson]

Spring Hill is near Brooksville. If you decide you want a system plumbed on your intake, I can get it done fast. On a single stage I would only need it for three to five days....Thanks, Steve

[zrchobbies]

Will definately need it done. How much would it run me? Any pics of your work? My email is zach@zrchobbies.com in case you don't want to post a price here and to send pics if you have them.

Thanks,
Zach

[zrchobbies]

I figured you all would like to see some of Steve's work if you haven't already, Here is an E3 setup on a 351w.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q99/zrchobbies/DaveBelchers351wE32.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q99/zrchobbies/DaveBelchers351WE3.jpg