Horrible Experience - Muscle Motors Inc.

[MSM69Z28]

Bought a 13" front and rear cobra brake kit. Spent 1100. Recieved two sets of rear calipers and no front calipers. I contacted Jack, he was no help even though he was quick to take my $$. Called and talked to everyone I could including the Manager, Nicole. Finally after a month and no action, I filed a complaint with paypal. Chris from Muscle Motors, then said they couldn't do anything for me now since i filed a complaint. I was fustrated. I would have never done that if they would have just exchanged the parts (same damn price anyway), but instead I argued for literally another month with them. Finally, they agreed to give me a Return Authorization number. Sent it back. They claimed it was damaged on reciept. Thats crap. Shipped it inside a second box which was even more than I originally even recieved it in. Ultimately told em to shove it and just send me back my damn parts I sent them as now I was out $$ and they had my damn parts. Have yet to see my parts and its been another month.

Their customer service sucks. They don't return calls. The Manager is a piece of work. She hung up on me cause she said she had personal issues. I didn't even get two words out about my horrible experience with her company so I am writing this post.

Some folks here have had good experience with em. Warning, they are quick to take your money, but god for bid, they accidentally ship out the wrong parts. Good luck getting anything resolved with these jerks.

Stay away. Just my experience. Also, I don't care to hear about anyone's positive feedback cause it don't help me get my $$ back.

Michael

[Muscle Motors]

We would like to state the facts at hand and let the public decide the real truth. Mr. Minor did purchase a front and rear brake kit from us that we were advertising on eBay however he failed to mention a couple things in his post above.

1) Before his order he sent us a link to Summit Racing asking us to price match a set of rear red Cobra calipers #M-2320-R. We not only matched their price but beat it and sold him the calipers for only $200 for the pair.

Thanks for the response. I must say that I often shop at Summit, but I think your kits are listed at a great price. I am definately interested in getting the red calipers as well. I did search Summit and they offer them at 209.99. They can't match your other prices on the front kit, but would you be willing to match their price on the rear calipers. As I mentioned, I am looking to purchase both the front and rear kits with the upgrades. Do you offer combined shipping as well?

http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&Ntt=FMS%2DM%2D2320%2DR+&searchinresults=false&N=+115&y=4&x=43

Thanks for your response.

Michael

2) We sent Mr. Minor a PayPal request for the front and rear brake kits for $1100 shipped to his door. Shipping was $100 so the products he purchased was $1000.

3) His products were packaged at MMP and double checked before shipping via UPS Ground (tracking numbers available if interested)

4) Mr. Minor then sends the following email to us:

We have a problem. The shipment I received had all rear calipers only. I also did not realize the rear calipers do not come with any cobra emblems.
They are just a replacement of what I already have on my 93 cobra. I am requesting that you process a return for this order. I would like to receive a refund. What about shipping for the return? All parts are were either unopened or re-wrapped in the packaging as received.

5) This email is what started our doubt in what Mr. Minor claimed. First he sent us a link to Summit Racing for the rear calipers he wanted which clearly shows a picture of the rear calipers and now all of a sudden he didn't realize the calpers DID NOT come with any cobra emblems?

Here is a link the picture on Summit's website:

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/fms-m2320-r_w.jpg

6) We gave Mr. Minor the benefit of the doubt and told him to send us pictures of what was supposedly sent wrong to him. Guess what the pictures were of two sets of rear calipers and he stated he photographed them the exact way he took them out of the boxes. Again we saw another flaw in his story. As the rear calipers we sent him we installed different brake pads on them in house to work with the 13" rear brake kit we shipped him. The pictures he took showed one stock rear red Cobra caliper and one of the ones we sent him next to each other. They would have never been packaged that way from us.

7) After all of this we contacted Ford Racing and told them of the possible mix up of a pair of rear red Cobra calipers #M-2320-R was mispackaged in a front red Cobra calipers #M-2320-AF. They said that is highly unlikely but they did give us an RA# for Mr. Minor to ship them back to them for inspection.

8) Upon Ford Racing and NOT MMP they received a pair of used rear red Cobra calipers completely unwrapped and banging together in the Ford Racing box w/ part number M-2320-AF on it. They immediately refused to do an exchange due to the calipers being damaged and not packaged properly for shipping and the fact they looked used to them. We will be posting the letter from Ford Racing soon on this post.

9) Now if you read the email above on #4 Mr. Minor stated the calipers were wrapped in packaging, etc. then why would he have shipped them to Ford Racing complete unwrapped and banging around?

10) Oh we forgot to mention during the above Mr. Minor did a chargeback through PayPal of the total amount he sent us of $1100 and tried to keep all the products even though the product in question was only $200. PayPal found us in the right and returned our money to us.

11) Now Mr. Minor did another chargeback with his credit card company and again disputed the whole $1100 charge and is trying to keep all the parts. Remember everyone his whole problem is on a set of $200 calipers and he is trying to do a chargeback on the whole $1100 he spent. We just won this chargeback as well so Mr. Minor threaten to go "worldwide" as he stated and slander our company for a scam he tried to pull and not get away with.

12) Even after all the mistruths Mr. Minor stated we still tried to help him with the Ford Racing RA# however due to his mispackaging of the product and the product looking used to Ford Racing they denied the return NOT MMP.

13) Mr. Minor also fails to mention everytime he called he told whoever he spoke to that "so and so" authorized a complete return and when would he be getting his money back. This went on almost every day and all the time he had and currently was doing a chargeback with PayPal and his credit card company.

Due to the facts at hand, Ford Racing's letter and that the fact that Mr. Minor lost both chargebacks his claim and post against MMP is legally considered liable and slander our company will be taking the proper legal actions against Mr. Minor.

If anyone would like more information on this before we get the letters, etc. posted please feel free to email us.

MMP Sales Team
Muscle Motors Performance, Inc.
sales@musclemotors.com
http://www.musclemotors.com
(818)888-7778
"Here to Make Racing Fun & Affordable for Everyone!"

[88silvergt]

Muscle Motors, I may be reading this wrong or i'm just tired. But it looks like he is claiming he never recieved the front set of brakes that he and you both say he did order. Are you saying that he WAS supposed to recieve 2 sets of rear brakes? Because you claim he is trying to get a refund on a $200 part and I know the fronts cost alot more than that. Let me know if I am getting the wrong idea here. Thanks

[Muscle Motors]

88silvergt - Mr. Minor ordered the following:

13" Front Cobra Brake Kit w/ Front Red Cobra Calipers, Double Crossdrilled & Slotted Silver Rotors & SS Brake Lines w/ Brackets & Pads.

13" Rear Brake Kit w/ Rear Red Cobra Calipers w/ Double Crossdrilled & Slotted Silver Rotors w/ Brackets & Pads.

We did in fact ship everything stated above in two seperate boxes.

Mr. Minor claimed he received 2 sets of Rear Red Cobra Calipers. The box Ford Racing #M-2320-AF which has the Front Red Cobra Calipers in Mr. Minor stated had a set of Rear Red Cobra calipers.

This is the box he sent back to Ford Racing and they denied due to what we stated above.

Mr. Minor has attempted to do a chargeback with PayPal and his credit card company for the whole amount of $1100 and is attempting to keep all the parts. The value of the rear calipers is more than $200 however that is what we sold them to him for to beat Summit Racing's pricing.

We also have emails from Mr. Minor stating what is the big deal if you do the exchange since they have the same value. Our position is that we didn't send him the wrong parts and he is trying to pull a scam on us.

We hope this answers your questions. If you or anyone has more questions please let us know.

MMP Sales Team

[88silvergt]

Quick question for Mr. Minor (MSM69Z28). If you had never recieved the parts you had ordered why do you have a set of front and rear 13" cobra brake set for sale in the for sale threads on this same forum? Or are these a different set???

[dirtyD]

Quick question for Mr. Minor (MSM69Z28). If you had never recieved the parts you had ordered why do you have a set of front and rear 13" cobra brake set for sale in the for sale threads on this same forum? Or are these a different set???
OH SNAP!

[MSM69Z28]

First of all, I never gave MMP permission to post my last name on the forum. Is that how you care with your customer's personal information? Should I expect my credit card number to be posted next?

Ironic. I can't get any action from Muscle Motors for two months, but Jack has time to research emails months old. Why don't you post the times those were sent and see how many days we are still arguing given I haven't recieved any calipers back yet. How about since September 5th. I call Muscle Motors everyday and its the same old lines brushing me off. Jack could have saved himself 30 minutes of writing and just fixed the issue by shipping out the correct front calipers.

READ HIS LAST STATEMENT.

Due to the facts at hand, Ford Racing's letter and that the fact that Mr. Minor lost both chargebacks his claim and post against MMP is legally considered liable and slander our company will be taking the proper legal actions against Mr. Minor.

So now what? You going to sue me for posting my experience. How is this slander when I am stating my personal experience. You guys are a joke.

To answer your question 88silvergt, I mentioned I did recieve two kits. All rear calipers. I wanted to send back the extra rear set of calipers only for correct front calipers. After getting a bulls**t run around how FORD Racing could not make a mistake, I said I just wanted my money back then. The fact is, according to your own policy, I have a right to ask for a refund anyway. Of course, they refused to give a refund even though this was not a special stock item and I was willing to accept the 25% restock fee according to their policy (which would have been me eating 275 bucks). Anyway, decided to sell what parts I had.

If you look, I had to eat my loss with the front kit cause I could only sell the rotors as I have no calipers.

Jack, why don't you ask Jesse (also MMP employee) where my original rear calipers I sent for return are if you have so much time to put a long response together. He'll tell you flat out I don't even have them back to me cause you guys supposedly screwed up and sent em to someone else. I honestly believe they were never actually ever sent out.

If I was a scammer, why would I ask to exchange front for rear calipers. There is a minimal price difference if at all. That is exactly why we are in the position we are in. I spend 1100 and you accuse me of scamming. Nice customer service.

In fact, I would like to say in my response to the quote you have above with me and the price match with Summit, I wish I would have bought from them even if it was more, cause look where your "good deal" got me now.

Wish it could have gone down differently. I did ask Discover to try and get back my 1100, because MMP has bent me over backwards and wasted my time and theirs. If I add up the hours I spent talking to these fools and getting no where, as well as, the shipping I had to pay to send it back to them for their mistake, the couple hundred $ difference doesn't even cover. Discover knows I had some of the parts, but not all the correct parts. Doesn't matter anyway. I know I will never see a dime of any money back. Muscle Motors will make sure of that.

We both lost money and wasted a lot of time. Thanks alot.

Michael

[88silvergt]

Mr Minor, I appoligize about jumping into the middle of this with minimal info. I hope you didnt take my questions in a negative way, I was and am neutral and just trying to get an idea of what happened because I myself was inquiring about the price of some parts and wanted to know if I had anything to worry about with their service. I myself have been screwed over a couple of times by some companies online so I do a little research now before I buy anything. I appreciate the heads up and will be monitoring your progress on this issue if you will continue to keep us updated. I am looking a supercharger kit and heads among other things so spending that kind of money I want to feel comfortable. So I will see how your issue works out first before I choose to start doing business. Good luck and god bless. T

[MSM69Z28]

Absolutely no offense taken 88silvergt. I apologize if I came off fustrated. Just been "wound tight" given this is a sensitive topic to me. I can only tell you about my personal experiences. I think that speaks on my position about the service from MMP.

Thanks,

Michael

[david powell]

We have done business with Muscle Motors many times over the years and have never had even one problem,and they have always been very professional and Jack has always been very good to communicate on any question that may arise! Dan cleveland performance/PT engines

[novi-blownvert]

I also have dealt with Muscle Motors Performance for the last 7 years, having spent over $20k on several different race cars. They have always provided me with excellent information (tech), quality parts and quick/safe shipping. Sounds like Muscle Motors went out of their way to help with a fix for the problem. I would recommend them, and will still continue to buy from them.:)

Just my .02.......

[Muscle Motors]

Hey everyone check this out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33564&item=140044475618 (SOLD $119.99)

I bought this kit for use on my 1993 Mustang, but need some cash fast thus I am selling this brand new kit. It will be packaged in the original packaging. Don't pay more for the same parts on eBay. I paid $550 to my door with calipers, but don't have the calipers anymore. You can buy the calipers separate for $225.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33564&item=140047330779 (SOLD $379.99)

bought this kit for use on my 1993 Mustang, but need some cash fast thus I am selling this brand new kit. It will be packaged in the original packaging. Don't pay more for the same kits on eBay.

The same kits for sale on Ebay for 299.00 + 48.94 shipping don't even include the calipers, and they charge an extra $200. My kit has it all included for much cheaper. My loss is your gain.


So Mr. Minor paid $1100 shipped to is door he sold everything for only $500. So he tried to do a chargeback for the whole $1100 and sell the parts to try and come up!!! You be the judge!!!!!

MMP Sales Team
Muscle Motors Performance, Inc.
sales@musclemotors.com
http://www.musclemotors.com
(818)888-7778
"Here to Make Racing Fun & Affordable for Everyone!"

[MSM69Z28]

How does your response add any credibility to your position on this matter? I can't imagine that MMP honestly believes I had a "master plan" cooked up to buy parts for 1100 dollars then sell for a HUGE loss only to hope I can scam my money back. I lost 600 dollars on this mistake of a purchase.

There are a few major flaws with your argument:

1. Take a look at my feedbacks. At the time of this post, I have 106 eBay feedbacks with 100% positive responses. Hardly the track record of a scammer.

2. Please note in the first eBay link in your last post that it is rotors only for sale. Where do you suppose the calipers are? Missing in action, cause I sent the rear calipers I had to you for exchange a month ago and yet I have nothing back (replacement front calipers or my original rear calipers I sent).

3. Attached are the pictures Jack requested I send immediately after I received the shipment and noted the error. I ask you, why didn't both sets of calipers come in the Ford Racing box? I received one marked as front calipers, but had rear inside. The other rear calipers weren't even in a Ford Racing box, but just bubble wrapped and chunked in the box. I shipped those calipers back inside the Ford Racing box with packing around the calipers, and then placed that Ford Racing box in a second box just as the fax you sent me with instructions for the return to Ford Racing. The fact is, I didn't purchase from Ford Racing, I purchased from Muscle Motors. Why didn't you have them shipped to you for inspection first if you had doubts? I was very animate about sending it to you, because I said I don't want to hear any crap why something was wrong and you can't perform the exchange. I specifically talked to Jesse and said that statement word for word. Jesse said he wanted it shipped to Ford as it was a drop ship order from them yet Jack states above

3) His products were packaged at MMP and double checked before shipping via UPS Ground (tracking numbers available if interested)

Bottom line, you don't even know how they were received at Ford with 100% certainty. That is why I am frustrated. Take care of your customer. Don't try to make me work with the middle man just because you don't want to be hassled with an exchange.

I did everything you guys asked me to. After weeks of no action, no product at all shipped back to me, and the fact you made me pay shipping on the return, who wouldn't pursuit a chargeback? You also mention some garbage about the pads being different. Fine. That appears to be the case. How the hell does that incriminate me? That just means no one opened the Ford Racing box package which contained original rear calipers that were not changed out with some other pads.

http://boostedhorsepower.com/Uploads/1.JPG
http://boostedhorsepower.com/Uploads/2.JPG
http://boostedhorsepower.com/Uploads/3.JPG
http://boostedhorsepower.com/Uploads/4.JPG
http://boostedhorsepower.com/Uploads/5.JPG
http://boostedhorsepower.com/Uploads/6.JPG

I don't see any response to the fact that I have not even received my rear calipers back considering you rejected my exchange a month ago. Why don't you fill everyone in on the status of those please.

Also, I don't appreciate you offering to provide tracking numbers and letters on my behalf. That includes personal information such as my address and name. This is such a PITA. I really don't have any more time to waste arguing with you guys. I have lost too many hours of my life already stressing about this crap. If this was a scam, do you think I would waste time filing with the BBB and posting on nmra? Obviously, you have one honest, but pissed off customer that you have done nothing but s**t on this whole time.

Michael

[Muscle Motors]

Mr. Minor,

Your story gets better all the time and you are tripping up on it over and over. How did you lose $600 because of your purchase? If you were truly mis-shipped a set of rear red Cobra calipers instead of front red Cobra calipers why would you go and sell everything on eBay for a $600 loss? Especially since you stated in your auction you could go guy a pair of red Cobra calipers for only $225. Why would you not go buy another set of front red Cobra calipers for $225 and turn around and sell the rear red Cobra calipers for $200? You would have broke even.

The real reason you are pissed right now is you tried to get your $1100 chargeback money back and you had the intention to make a quick buck selling them on eBay and pocket the money. Now that you lost two chargebacks and lost $600 since you decided to sell the parts you are posting on every forum you can as retaliation.

We have forwarded your closed auctions to PayPal, eBay, & Discover. Thank you 88silvergt for posting that Mr. Minor was selling and sold the kits he purchased from us.

As we stated above the parts were inspected before shipping our location and there is no way you received two sets of rear calipers from us. You keep mentioning "what is the big deal they are worth around the same amount of money and you should just do an exchange". The big deal is you are straight up lying so you could get another pair of front red Cobra calipers.

You did a chargeback twice for $1100 when parts you had in question were only valued at $200. Why would you do that? Then top it off and sell everything you have for a $600 loss? None of that makes sense!

You state "MMP" stated the parts were received damaged. In fact it was "Ford Racing" You state you packaged them up better than you received them however there was no packaging in the box when received at "Ford Racing" You show a picture below of set of rear red Cobra calipers in a box wrapped in plastic bags. We don't ship them out like that. We wrap over the plastic with bubble wrap. Ford Racing stated they were received with no bubble wrap or anything on the calipers. We have the letter from Ford Racing stating how they were received and we have no reason to doubt what Ford Racing stated. You on the other hand have been questionable since you received your order from us.

The way the front kit is shipped the box is big enough to put the following:

2) 13" Front Rotors
1) SS Brake Lines w/ Banjo Bolts
1) Ford Racing Box M-2320-AF (containing front red Cobra calipers wrapped in bubble wrap)

The way the rear kit is shipped the box is big enough to put the following:

2) 13" Rear Rotors
1) Mounting Brackets w/ Hardware
2) Rear Red Cobra Calipers w/ Pads (wrapped in bubble wrap)

Now if you are stating you shipped back the pads to Ford Racing that were in the rear kit you just screwed your customer on eBay. The pads on the calipers that were in the rear kit are specific to work with the rear kit only as they are GT pads and not Cobra pads.

We inspect all shipments that leave our facility not with just one person but two. Since our brake kits are all custom built by what the customer wants by caliper color and style and rotor color and style they are double checked when pulled and packaged. Again there is no way you were sent a set of rear red Cobra calipers in the Ford Racing box M-2320-AF.

On behalf of posting letters and tracking numbers that is our proof of the facts at hand and prove that we are 100% right in this matter.

We have been in business since 1993, have a perfect standing with the BBB and have a 3188 Positive Feedback received on eBay. We are not in business to screw our customers retail or wholesale. But every once in awhile someone tries to scam us and the system.

We really wish it didn't have to come to this Mr. Minor but you really should have been honest from the beginning.

MMP Sales Team
Muscle Motors Performance, Inc.
sales@musclemotors.com
http://www.musclemotors.com
(818)888-7778
"Here to Make Racing Fun & Affordable for Everyone!"

[MSM69Z28]

Obviously this is never going to get resolved. You can believe what you want, but you lost an honest customer.

I still find it so hard to believe that you honestly think I would go through so much trouble in the hopes that I COULD POTENTIALLY pull of a scam. If that was the case, why wouldn't I have waited till after the dispute was settled to advertise the parts for sale? Even a jackass would have planned that one out. The reason why? Because I have nothing to hide. I am not a scammer. I sold these and several other used parts from my cobra cause I needed the money. Check out the completed items list for me. Buying your kit was in fact a bad decision I made. I absolutely admit that.

I would love to sell my rear calipers so I can try to cut my losses even less, but YOU HAVE THEM!!

Here is the deal. You return my rear calipers and I'll let this thread die. I have said all I need to say. I am tired of this childish crap going back and forth. I want to see my calipers, otherwise, I may just post a link to this thread on each thread you respond to when someone posts a "WTB" in the classifieds.

SO AGAIN, FOR THE 3RD TIME, WHERE ARE MY F**KING REAR CALIPERS I SENT YOU?

Michael

[Muscle Motors]

Mr. Minor - Before we continue any futher why don't you post a valid UPS tracking number showing that you sent us "MMP" any sort of package?

You know what you CAN'T because you NEVER sent any package to "MMP". You sent your package of used rear Red Cobra calipers completely unpackaged to "Ford Racing". You need to quit posting lies about how you sent us "MMP" your parts and that we "MMP" have them. WE DON'T HAVE THEM PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

Personally I think that you had buyers remorse about making your purchase and came up with the story about the calipers so you could get a complete refund. Then when things didn't go your way you decided to do the chargeback and see if you could get away with that. When that didn't work you attempted to do another chargeback and lost that one also. In the midst of everything you sold the parts you received from us to make a quick buck hoping to get all your money part on the chargeback but that didn't happen. There is no reason you would have had to sell the parts for over 1/2 of what you paid for them just because you need the money. You could have easily sold the parts for less than 10% of what you paid and still sold them on eBay or anywhere else. So now you are doing everything in the your power because your idea/plan didn't work. Now you say you are going to continue posting negative's about your company because you technically screwed yourself?

I will be sure to forward all this to the moderators of any site we find you posting on and I am sure our corporate attorney will have a blast with this. It is illegal to do what you plan on doing so be forewarned.

MMP Sales Team
Muscle Motors Performance, Inc.
sales@musclemotors.com
http://www.musclemotors.com
(818)888-7778
"Here to Make Racing Fun & Affordable for Everyone!"

[Muscle Motors]

Just to show everyone how again we go above and beyond for our customers check this out.

Mr. Minor - We got you a tracking number for your package. Apparently Ford Racing shipped it to your old address in TN. So now it is in route to you from TN to GA where you live currently. It is out for delivery today!

Tracking Number: 1Z 19A 15R 90 4789 763 9
Type: Package
Status: In Transit
Rescheduled Delivery: 11/16/2006
Shipped to: LOCUST GROVE, GA, US
Service Type: GROUND
Weight: 16.00 Lbs

Package Progress
Location Date Local Time Description
GRIFFIN,
GA, US 11/16/2006 4:18 A.M. OUT FOR DELIVERY
GRIFFIN,
GA, US 11/15/2006 11:00 P.M. ARRIVAL SCAN
ATLANTA,
GA, US 11/15/2006 10:00 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
11/15/2006 1:18 P.M. ARRIVAL SCAN
MEMPHIS,
TN, US 11/15/2006 4:20 A.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
11/15/2006 12:31 A.M. ARRIVAL SCAN
11/15/2006 12:21 A.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
US 11/10/2006 8:13 P.M. BILLING INFORMATION RECEIVED

MMP Sales Team
Muscle Motors Performance, Inc.
sales@musclemotors.com
http://www.musclemotors.com
(818)888-7778
"Here to Make Racing Fun & Affordable for Everyone!"

[MSM69Z28]

You guys are brilliant. Its like living in a real life CSI investigation. The way you have assembled all the pieces of "the puzzle" is amazing. (enter sarcasism here)

Of course the calipers weren't sent to MMP, but Ford Racing, as I clearly stated in my last post. That's the way MMP wanted it... Not me. Again, I did business with MMP not Ford Racing. You asked me to send them to Ford Racing, therefore it is your responsibility to make sure it gets handled correctly. You had my correct address. I also gave Ford Racing my correct return address enclosed in the shipment back. I would have expected that MMP would have also made it clear with them, but that was to much to hope for.

Used !!! Are you kidding me? I already attached a picture. Do any of these calipers look used? Do the other pictures look unpackaged? The proof is in the picture. You are full of crap on that and you know it.

http://boostedhorsepower.com/Uploads/1.JPG

In my opinion, if you had em... If Ford Racing had em... What's the difference? I sent them where you instructed me too and nothing made it back to me and its been a month.

You know what, I will live up to the deal. The calipers should show up today then based on your post so I have no problem just letting this thread die. I have better things to do with my life. There is nothing else for us to argue about anyway. We have both exhausted our positions.

Have a nice life MMP team.

Michael

[Muscle Motors]

Mr. Minor - You are a real piece of work. The facts are you never got the wrong calipers. What you sent Ford Racing had nothing to do with the pictures you are posting. Anyone can stick a part in the box and take a picture and say that is what they received/sent. We know for a fact we never shipped you the wrong parts and basically was wrongfully helping you to pull your scam with letting you ship the parts back to Ford Racing.

Being the fact that you sent used looking and damaged parts due to you not packaging them up back to Ford Racing is not our fault.

Being the fact that you decided to sell your parts at over 50% of what you paid for them is not our fault.

Being the fact that you tried to do two chargebacks for the full amount of your purchase with us of $1100 when the item you were disputing were only valued at $200 is scandlous. What valid reason would you try to screw us "MMP" out of the whole $1100 unless you were trying to come up.

You state you are the victim in all your posts however we were the ones that were your victim with the chargebacks and the scam you were trying to pull on us.

Why do you keep changing your story every time we prove you wrong on your statements?

MMP Sales Team
Muscle Motors Performance, Inc.
sales@musclemotors.com
http://www.musclemotors.com
(818)888-7778
"Here to Make Racing Fun & Affordable for Everyone!"

[88silvergt]

This is like the 30th round of a Rocky movie, come on guys, you are never ever ever going to see eye to eye on this, be the bigger guy and let this die. Its obvious nobody can sue anybody on a public forum about their oppinion, and its obvious nobody is going to take the blame, so I am going stick my big keyboard where it doesnt belong (in this fight lol ) and ask that you both let it go. I know it sucks for both parties, but its not doing any good. just keeping you blood pressure up. I hope to hear good posts from both of you else where on the site. T

[nc-chris]

Wow!!! The damage is done..... I'll think twice before buying from MMP. Hint to the owners... address & fix issues before they go this far. I am sure if you had located and had Ford!!! return the calipers a month ago this thread would have never started.

just my $.02

[Muscle Motors]

nc-chris - Weird that you have been a forum member since January this year however this is the only post you have made since being a member?

I don't think you read the post at all with the comment you just made!

MMP Sales Team
Muscle Motors Performance, Inc.
sales@musclemotors.com
http://www.musclemotors.com
(818)888-7778
"Here to Make Racing Fun & Affordable for Everyone!"