What should my et's be to be competitive in Pure Street? [Archive]

RHecox

12-04-2006, 01:29 PM

I kind of like the limitations put on the class, such as no power adder. Seems like a little more of a challenge, with fewer cars but similar setups. What kind of rear end ratios are you guys running? How much horsepower and torque? Can anyone post an interior pic of your car? Just curious I guess.

I consider myself to be fairly competetive. I was anywhere from 10.30's to 10.70's with a few 11 sec passes due to the "Check Driver" light being turned on at the moment I sat down.

Here is a picture of my car.

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/520/3930/94395.jpg

danielcrmstr

12-04-2006, 06:36 PM

I consider myself to be fairly competetive. I was anywhere from 10.30's to 10.70's with a few 11 sec passes due to the "Check Driver" light being turned on at the moment I sat down.

Here is a picture of my car.

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/520/3930/94395.jpg
is the interior gutted? whats a good 60' to shoot for?

RHecox

12-04-2006, 08:07 PM

is the interior gutted? whats a good 60' to shoot for?

Eh, gutted is such an ugly term. I prefer "tastfuly lightened"

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/2010/dsc01661.jpg

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Ian Mullane

12-05-2006, 03:30 AM

You have such a way with words Ryan. No wonder the lady's love ya.:cool:

The top cars 60 ft in the 1.35-1.40 range.

RHecox

12-05-2006, 09:10 AM

You have such a way with words Ryan. No wonder the lady's love ya.:cool:

The top cars 60 ft in the 1.35-1.40 range.

Thanks Ian.

It's one of those gifts I try not to flaunt. The ladies may think of me as a "playa" :D

Stangfireman

12-05-2006, 01:24 PM

Thanks Ian.

It's one of those gifts I try not to flaunt. The ladies may think of me as a "playa" :D

And here I thought you was a playa.

In Real Street. :D

RHecox

12-05-2006, 01:29 PM

And here I thought you was a playa.

In Real Street. :D

Whatever rumors you heard are wrong.... well partially wrong.

Just waiting for the rules to come out.....

danielcrmstr

12-05-2006, 06:04 PM

Thanks for the info. I think this may be a goal that I can reach with a little time and loot!
How many cars usually compete (not necessarily make it to every race). Are there any "weekend warriors" that do any good?

teddy

12-05-2006, 06:35 PM

Whatever rumors you heard are wrong.... well partially wrong.

Just waiting for the rules to come out.....
little birdies are flying everywhere;) ;)

danielcrmstr

12-05-2006, 07:06 PM

I take it somebody's making a switch of classes? Someone done fired up the rumor mill!

TEI

12-06-2006, 04:04 AM

Whatever rumors you heard are wrong.... well partially wrong.

Just waiting for the rules to come out.....

I think eveybody waiting for rules.

Just when we get close to you (except in the back bumper show), you move someplace else.

vrtical

12-06-2006, 06:28 AM

I think eveybody waiting for rules.

yeah soo I know which weight to run :D

RHecox

12-06-2006, 10:25 AM

I think eveybody waiting for rules.

Just when we get close to you (except in the back bumper show), you move someplace else.

Don't worry John.

I am not going anywhere. I love Pure Street. This is the most fun and satisfying race class for me. I have NO desire to run a power adder, NO desire to run not so factory factory stock, and definately NO desire to go mush faster. Pure Street is for me for now.

So, as long as everyone stays in the class for a bit and keeps working hard at their combos we should all be within .2 of each other. Eveyone knows I get very sleepy on the starting line waiting for Victor Downs to stage and sometimes is very hard for me to wake up in time and end up chasing him down the track to lose on a light. But hey, thats racing and I wouldnt have it any other way. .2 really doesnt mean alot then.

I am looking forward to next season more than this one passed. I am no longer a rookie and ready to step up to the challenge of being number 1. So, any predictions on who will be chasing who down the track in 2007? Is Ron Anderson coming back? Anyone know what Brad Meadows is doing? Hopefully they return (with an extra 100 pounds strapped to them). :D

ISSUES

12-06-2006, 11:09 AM

Hopefully they return (with an extra 100 pounds strapped to them). :D

bite your tongue! they're carb guys :D

RHecox

12-06-2006, 12:10 PM

bite your tongue! they're carb guys :D

Ron and Brad + 100 pounds = 10.40's

Most EFI guys = 10.40's

4v EFI guys= 10.40's

Ron told me he made close to the same power (within 5hp) with EFI as he did with a carb. Maybe he will switch to EFI and be able to remove the 25 pounds he had this year.

Personally I think it should be EFI only. Factory stock is EFI only, Real Street is EFI only, Renegade is EFI only..... So why is pure street in the middle of them with a carburetor?

Eh, either way.... bring the rules out so I can decide if I am running a carb or not :D

teddy

12-06-2006, 12:17 PM

Eh, either way.... bring the rules out so I can decide if I am running a carb or not :D
2nd that. We now have 3 months until Bradenton. NMRA is terrible when it comes to releasing rules. Gets worse every year:rolleyes:

LSX-GTO

12-06-2006, 01:12 PM

Ron and Brad + 100 pounds = 10.40's

Most EFI guys = 10.40's

4v EFI guys= 10.40's

Ron told me he made close to the same power (within 5hp) with EFI as he did with a carb. Maybe he will switch to EFI and be able to remove the 25 pounds he had this year.

Personally I think it should be EFI only. Factory stock is EFI only, Real Street is EFI only, Renegade is EFI only..... So why is pure street in the middle of them with a carburetor?

Eh, either way.... bring the rules out so I can decide if I am running a carb or not :D

Other than F/S .. Those other classes are power adder classes. They have enough problems!

Keep the carbs in! P/S has always been a Hot Street "Jr" type of class so why screw with it? Unless you make silver cars illegal. :D

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Stangfireman

12-06-2006, 02:46 PM

Whatever rumors you heard are wrong.... well partially wrong.

Just waiting for the rules to come out.....

Ryan,
Actually I haven't heard any rumors about anyone in the NMRA. Too busy with the N/A Series. Played announcer this year. And I am getting old and need to re-read what I type. I meant Pure Street. LOL
I was refering to you doing quite well this year in PS. Wish you continued success in whatever venue you chose. :)

RHecox

12-06-2006, 04:08 PM

Ryan,
Actually I haven't heard any rumors about anyone in the NMRA. Too busy with the N/A Series. Played announcer this year. And I am getting old and need to re-read what I type. I meant Pure Street. LOL
I was refering to you doing quite well this year in PS. Wish you continued success in whatever venue you chose. :)

Thanks Todd. I will do my best to make you a proud announcer in whatever series I am in no matter where you are announcing.

Just remember these kind words "HECOX ON THE BUMPER!!!!"-Dr. Meyers :D

danielcrmstr

12-08-2006, 07:59 PM

what do these car weigh. Is there a weight that you need to be at from the get-go, and then add weight depending if your running a carb or efi?

gnklr50

12-08-2006, 08:33 PM

what do these car weigh. Is there a weight that you need to be at from the get-go, and then add weight depending if your running a carb or efi?

Dan..

the rules for 2007 will be released in 1 week..

4eyedfreak85GT

01-20-2007, 09:34 PM

im sure my et's will not be competitive in pure street. it blows but what can i do about it.

4eyedfreak85GT

01-20-2007, 09:43 PM

I kind of like the limitations put on the class, such as no power adder. Seems like a little more of a challenge, with fewer cars but similar setups. What kind of rear end ratios are you guys running? How much horsepower and torque? Can anyone post an interior pic of your car? Just curious I guess.
since we dont live too far away from eachother lets try to keep up with these pure street cars! I wont say its definate for this year but who knows! pm if you need anything or any help im here and not too far away!

188lx

02-13-2007, 07:33 PM

Hey, I see alot of you are in Ill. I'm in Paw Paw Il. And have built a ps car. Well I have a afm ps cam, pms, pro-shifted tremmec 3550 no 5th, diamond ps pistons, tfs tw shaved and ported, holley efi ported, moly k-member and a-arms, 31 spline spool, 4:56's. I'll be testing out at Byron as soon as they open, if fast enough I be at Joliet this year. Maybe see some of you all out there, or at Byron.

Al

Amy Sherwin

02-17-2007, 10:40 AM

Ill be at Joliet WITH the exhaust on the car this year not on the trailer under the car :eek:

ISSUES

02-18-2007, 07:08 AM

Ill be at Joliet WITH the exhaust on the car this year not on the trailer under the car :eek:

i dont believe you :D i thought you really liked being under your car in the 90*+ heat LOL

how many PS cars are from IL anyways? i think i've counted 6 (actually 5-1/2 til i get mine finished) so far:confused:

188lx

02-18-2007, 04:49 PM

I'm ordering a few last parts tonight, then an alingment, off to Mike Post's for a tune, and some testing at Byron. I sould make to Joilet, and hope to be competive. Any of you all go to Byron?

danielcrmstr

03-17-2007, 08:34 PM

ill be there as soon as they open. Im looking for a PS cam, so if anyone has anything, let me know. Im running a stock block though, so i cant go spinning it to 8 grand.

PURESTREET5006

03-18-2007, 08:51 AM

fastbrad

03-18-2007, 11:57 AM

If your anyware in the 11's:eek: Don't even bother bringing the car out!!!Now thats just stupid advice. The only way to learn about ANY race class is to get out there and do it. I believe that if you look at the champs in any class, you will see guys who have spent a lot of time in that class AND have been at a whole lot of races working their way up! My advice is to go out and try it a few times. you may love it and be hooked on it, working your rear off to get quicker, or it may not be for you and you may spend your time at home making up excusses on the internet.:eek:

Larry Geddes

03-19-2007, 06:00 AM

Well...........look who's on the board.;)

PURESTREET5006

03-19-2007, 07:42 AM

Now thats just stupid advice. The only way to learn about ANY race class is to get out there and do it. I believe that if you look at the champs in any class, you will see guys who have spent a lot of time in that class AND have been at a whole lot of races working their way up! My advice is to go out and try it a few times. you may love it and be hooked on it, working your rear off to get quicker, or it may not be for you and you may spend your time at home making up excusses on the internet.:eek:

It's the truth!!!!:D Would you race a 12 sec car in an all 10 sec class? I sure the hell wouldn't...I love Dragracing More than anyone but i wouldn't wanna be an 11 sec car in this class.....Plus he said COMPETITIVE...I don't think a 11 sec car is COMPETITIVE IN THE CLASS.

RHecox

03-19-2007, 11:44 AM

It's the truth!!!!:D Would you race a 12 sec car in an all 10 sec class? I sure the hell wouldn't...I love Dragracing More than anyone but i wouldn't wanna be an 11 sec car in this class.....Plus he said COMPETITIVE...I don't think a 11 sec car is COMPETITIVE IN THE CLASS.

Yes, I would, because I love drag racing that much more than you :D

Seriously though. You have to attend the events and drive against the best in order to beat the best. I will not miss and event and will do my best to beat everyone around me no matter how much faster their car may be. The tree is your friend, make nice with it and it will rip your opponents head off :)

PURESTREET5006

03-19-2007, 12:02 PM

Yes, I would, because I love drag racing that much more than you :D

Seriously though. You have to attend the events and drive against the best in order to beat the best. I will not miss and event and will do my best to beat everyone around me no matter how much faster their car may be. The tree is your friend, make nice with it and it will rip your opponents head off :)

Ryan:D You know a 11-12 sec P/S dosen't stand a chance in this class..I refuse to bring a 11-12 sec car out to an event I did that in 2005(NMRA Joliet) and i was pissed:mad: That's just me. It would be just a waste of time for me.

teddy

03-19-2007, 12:07 PM

Jack Fifer, Columbus 2005, running 10.90's-11.0's is in the final and runner-ups. The reason we race is you never know what will happen;)

GeneHindman

03-19-2007, 12:14 PM

I believe that same year that there were a few races where some 11 second cars were in the semis also. One more mistake and any of them could have been in the finals.

RHecox

03-19-2007, 01:26 PM

Ryan:D You know a 11-12 sec P/S dosen't stand a chance in this class..I refuse to bring a 11-12 sec car out to an event I did that in 2005(NMRA Joliet) and i was pissed:mad: That's just me. It would be just a waste of time for me.

Well, that is your decision to make. In your opinion, someone with a 10.60 car doesnt seem to stand a chance either.

You have to go in order to win. There is no chance in hell of you winning anything on the other side of the entirenet.

PURESTREET5006

03-19-2007, 01:46 PM

Ryan:D The thead started as" What should my et's be to be competitive in Purestreet" Not WIN in Purestreet:D Now for him to win in P/S..10.40-10.20's seem just where he needs to be.

danielcrmstr

03-19-2007, 06:38 PM

On average, how many cars show up for pure street?

rmracing

03-19-2007, 08:08 PM

Usually about 10-15 cars depending on the race , there has been 20plus a couple times. Come on out and have some fun.

Rocky

danielcrmstr

03-20-2007, 05:25 AM

Usually about 10-15 cars depending on the race , there has been 20plus a couple times. Come on out and have some fun.

Rocky
I probably will if i can get a cam in time. I know I'll get my butt handed to me, but that will just be motivation!

Mark Whitney

03-20-2007, 08:26 AM

Even if your car run's 11's, bring it. Look at Amy...she wasn't running 10's, learned a lot and is now building a whole new car.

I qualified like 4th one year at Joliet and lost first round to a 13 sec. car because my clutch stop got stuck on the floor...you never know.

shanshine

03-20-2007, 01:20 PM

On average, how many cars show up for pure street?

This is what I have for last year....

FL- 13 cars
GA- 11 cars
PA- 16 cars
MI- 12 cars
IL- 13 cars
NJ- 12 cars
OH- 17 cars
KY- 14 cars
Last year there were only (3) racers that attended all events and there was a total of 24 racers that competed in PS last year

This year in FL there was only 11 cars. Hopefully GA will have a bigger car count =)

Amy Sherwin

03-20-2007, 02:10 PM

Even if your car run's 11's, bring it. Look at Amy...she wasn't running 10's, learned a lot and is now building a whole new car.

Thank you Mark, and I agree! BEING an 11-12 sec car (and 1 10.99 & 10.86 lol) that if you don't get out there & do it, you won't learn anything. I had a year from hell in 06 & I can assure that it wont take place again. Yes Thanks to Pakman Motorsports and many others, I am building a new car & yes I have done somethings different from 06. Will it be competitive? Who knows Ill probally find out soon. Will it be in the 10.60s, yes I had it there in testing after Bowling Green last year with no changes, with the other chassis, the changes that were done I cant wait to see what I get.

The tree being your friend has helped me a few times, even being qual. on the bottom 1/2. With a car that is competitive and my "friend" I do hope to go a few rounds this year. It takes time & in my case, breakage to an extreme! Then again drag racing is drag racing & you never know what can happen. :eek:

stanginthe10s

03-20-2007, 02:42 PM

thats right. it needs to be on the car!lol

stanginthe10s

03-20-2007, 02:44 PM

i say it shou;d be anywhere from 10.00's-10.20's. do u aggree

TEI

03-20-2007, 03:55 PM

i say it shou;d be anywhere from 10.00's-10.20's. do u aggree

That will definately make you competitive in Pure Street.

PURESTREET5006

03-20-2007, 04:46 PM

That will definately make you competitive in Pure Street.

And will also get you a front seat in the penalty box with tool in hand:D Just make sure you bring gaskets, hand cleaner and brake cleaner...LOL

danielcrmstr

03-20-2007, 06:35 PM

I'm having trouble with my valvetrain. I bought a set of afr 165 heads and svo 1.6 rockers. Upon installation of the rockers, I saw that the geometry is radically off. On some of the rockers, the roller is half-off of the stem!:eek: I was told that this could be because the rockers are for canted valve heads, not inline...what do you guys think? Im ready to buy a new set of rockers, because I dont want to wreck the guides, but i dont want to find out that I have the same problem after buying new ones! Any suggestions?...

teddy

03-20-2007, 06:42 PM

RHecox

03-20-2007, 06:56 PM

And will also get you a front seat in the penalty box with tool in hand:D Just make sure you bring gaskets, hand cleaner and brake cleaner...LOL

I'm working on it!

danielcrmstr

03-20-2007, 07:15 PM

when you say half off the stem, which way? Side to side or vertically? If vertically it is likely in your pushrod length. If side to side try loosening the studs and moving the guide plate to obtain the propery geometry. I don't think the SVO rockers are designed specifically for canted heads:confused:
side to side. I tried adjusting by the guide plates, but no such luck. Im using the frpp hardened push rods, and have a stock bottom end, if thats any help. I think i may have mismatched rockers, but I'm gonna have to take another peek.

BigEd

03-25-2007, 02:27 PM

If your anyware in the 11's:eek: Don't even bother bringing the car out!!! We ran the best of 10.72 Last year in competition and a ave range of 1.43 to 1.38 in 60ft times and and ave of 125 mph plus on the top end:eek: I'm not gonna race this year but i'll be at a few( NMRA) races. It's a nice class to get into and you'll find alot of help( With certain things) if needed....Now i just need to get on track with the T & T ET's (10.62@126.13) That i ran at US.41a few times last year. I think that i just get wound up during the events that i lose focus on that starting line.
Darrin

Thats wrong buddy. I hate to bring it back up. But I went out last year knowing I had no chance in hell, but I did it for the fun and expierence. I had never driven a stick car before spring of last year and when we went to MG it was a blast, got to meet some really good ppl who helped ALOT! I know I was a 1st rounder before we even got to the races, I made last round of qualifying and waited till Sunday race time. Class was called and it was me and Jimmy from Fla against each other in the staging lanes. Jimmy blew my doors off, I was nervous as anything you could imagine. But I got to tech and I was ready to go put my junk on the trailer until Charlie or one of other techs told me to wait just in case Jimmy did not pass his fuel tech. Think about it, failing fuel tech I could have easily went another round without even trying.
First time I got in my car last year I ran 12 something, in the fall I pulled my best ET down to a 11.13. Would I do again this year, damn straight. Just for the fun of it. But! (and I am not making up excuses) the car has been sitting all winter waiting for some well deserved upgrades and I will do them as time and money allow.

TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER - if you see a class you like go talk to the racers. None of the classes are easy to get into or cheap - but if you have something that fits the rules, try it and see if you like then you can always upgrade and go faster!

danielcrmstr

03-25-2007, 06:47 PM

Darrin

Thats wrong buddy. I hate to bring it back up. But I went out last year knowing I had no chance in hell, but I did it for the fun and expierence. I had never driven a stick car before spring of last year and when we went to MG it was a blast, got to meet some really good ppl who helped ALOT! I know I was a 1st rounder before we even got to the races, I made last round of qualifying and waited till Sunday race time. Class was called and it was me and Jimmy from Fla against each other in the staging lanes. Jimmy blew my doors off, I was nervous as anything you could imagine. But I got to tech and I was ready to go put my junk on the trailer until Charlie or one of other techs told me to wait just in case Jimmy did not pass his fuel tech. Think about it, failing fuel tech I could have easily went another round without even trying.
First time I got in my car last year I ran 12 something, in the fall I pulled my best ET down to a 11.13. Would I do again this year, damn straight. Just for the fun of it. But! (and I am not making up excuses) the car has been sitting all winter waiting for some well deserved upgrades and I will do them as time and money allow.

TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER - if you see a class you like go talk to the racers. None of the classes are easy to get into or cheap - but if you have something that fits the rules, try it and see if you like then you can always upgrade and go faster!
Thanks BigEd. Im going to be getting a cam, carb and cage, and see what I can do! Does anyone have a recommendation on a carb? Right now I have and edelbrock performer series 750 carb, which is too big for the stock bottom end and AFR 165 head combo, so I was thinking about the demon line, but the edelbrock seems as if it would be easier to tune.

RHecox

03-25-2007, 08:14 PM

Thanks BigEd. Im going to be getting a cam, carb and cage, and see what I can do! Does anyone have a recommendation on a carb? Right now I have and edelbrock performer series 750 carb, which is too big for the stock bottom end and AFR 165 head combo, so I was thinking about the demon line, but the edelbrock seems as if it would be easier to tune.

Take all the guess work out of it and go to

www.pro-system.com for a Holley 4150hp carb

PURESTREET5006

03-26-2007, 08:12 AM

Darrin

Thats wrong buddy. I hate to bring it back up. But I went out last year knowing I had no chance in hell, but I did it for the fun and expierence. I had never driven a stick car before spring of last year and when we went to MG it was a blast, got to meet some really good ppl who helped ALOT! I know I was a 1st rounder before we even got to the races, I made last round of qualifying and waited till Sunday race time. Class was called and it was me and Jimmy from Fla against each other in the staging lanes. Jimmy blew my doors off, I was nervous as anything you could imagine. But I got to tech and I was ready to go put my junk on the trailer until Charlie or one of other techs told me to wait just in case Jimmy did not pass his fuel tech. Think about it, failing fuel tech I could have easily went another round without even trying.
First time I got in my car last year I ran 12 something, in the fall I pulled my best ET down to a 11.13. Would I do again this year, damn straight. Just for the fun of it. But! (and I am not making up excuses) the car has been sitting all winter waiting for some well deserved upgrades and I will do them as time and money allow.

TO THE ORIGINAL POSTER - if you see a class you like go talk to the racers. None of the classes are easy to get into or cheap - but if you have something that fits the rules, try it and see if you like then you can always upgrade and go faster!

I'm glad to hear that you had fun Ed at your first race:D I did that back in 2005 in joliet when i first ran in P/S with a 11.70 pass!!!:eek: From my standpoint i wouldn't bring a 11 or 12 sec car out anymore to race in P/S. We did some testing at US.41 over the weekend and we picked up alot from last year:D So we'll see what happens...Now if i can just leave on time i'll be onto something!!!

BigEd

03-26-2007, 02:41 PM

I'm glad to hear that you had fun Ed at your first race:D I did that back in 2005 in joliet when i first ran in P/S with a 11.70 pass!!!:eek: From my standpoint i wouldn't bring a 11 or 12 sec car out anymore to race in P/S. We did some testing at US.41 over the weekend and we picked up alot from last year:D So we'll see what happens...Now if i can just leave on time i'll be onto something!!!

I just don't want this guy walking away being discourage or taken the wrong way over what someone said on the internet.
Yeah we had fun. Debi and Eddie had lots of fun, got to meet new friends and see some old ones. Once we got home, Deb asked me what it take to get the car where it needed to be. Well I told her one was more pratice and the other was more $$$; when I told her how much more (I thought) I almost had to carry her into the house from the shock! LOL :eek:
But I do have some long over do updates that are coming along (slowly) but I will get it eventually. :)

ISSUES

03-26-2007, 03:30 PM

Does anyone have a recommendation on a carb? Right now I have and edelbrock performer series 750 carb

the 750 isnt legal in P/S. only a 650 is legal.

Pro Systems carb.

Amy Sherwin

03-27-2007, 03:14 PM

the 750 isnt legal in P/S. only a 650 is legal.

Pro Systems carb.
Was just going to say that

PURESTREET5006

03-27-2007, 03:41 PM

Thanks BigEd. Im going to be getting a cam, carb and cage, and see what I can do! Does anyone have a recommendation on a carb? Right now I have and edelbrock performer series 750 carb, which is too big for the stock bottom end and AFR 165 head combo, so I was thinking about the demon line, but the edelbrock seems as if it would be easier to tune.

And if i where you i'd stay away from that Edelbrock Carb & demon carbs:( Get a Pro-System( See Patrick) 650hp series XLR. It's a very good start for ya.