Justin Burcham
07-15-2007, 11:33 AM
Here’s my opinion, NMRA rules committee screwed up plain and simple. What are/were they thinking? Let’s take a quick look at the combos.
2V 11.42-current rules-GA
pushrod-11.46-current rules-GA
4V 11.46 current rules w/traction-loc and 3.90 gear (Shawn BG 06)------------2007/11.53 W/4:10 GEAR AND SPOOL (MAKES SENSE HUH?)
*****Also-Not in great air of BG!!******yet
It’s funny how this reminds me so much of the Cosby era. It’s not the combination that gets ruled, but “whose car” is running the combination.
If you took Shawn’s car with the current rules, it would be well in the 40’s by now w/ 4:10 gear and spool, and with this rule would get back to his 11.30 performances on a regular basis. You guys can’t sit here and say a freakin’ 3400lb car will not respond when going from a 4:10 to a 4:88, seriously guys think about it!!!!!! So you take your stock heavy ass Mach 1 to the track with 3.55’s and then put a 4:10 in, how much would that pick it up? Maybe 3-4 tenths, but it won’t make a difference from a 4:10 to a 4:88??? C’mon!!!!
That’s right Jeff I said it, you bring a “street” car to the racetrack. The rules get swayed in your favor when you have been right beside us all year long. It would all be different in the win column, had it not been for a clutch slip or a few tire revolutions, and I truly mean that. You might say so what, but if you took the weight of all the “street” parts on your car and put them over the rear tires you might not have the “traction” issues you speak of. Please tell me you don’t agree and that’s why all the drag radial and other heads up “racecars” have steel hoods, ABS brakes, A/C, stereos and Corbeau seats. I think I heard Booze jamming out to his new Sony cd player in the lanes last race…. What parts have the 4V’s broken so many of this year that necessitates a rule change? If the combo needs to be adjusted for parts breakage and a boost in ET why not use NMRA’s favorite tool of weight??????????? I’d rather see 75lbs off the combo which will help “parts breakage” and give ET help. Did any 4V’s break anything in eliminations that caused them to lose the race?????? Just wondering??
You said yourself at an event that we were all running 60’s, “it doesn’t matter if it bogs or spins, it runs the same ET” or something to that effect. I do know that in round 1 against Denny, John Paulk spun and he ran a 12.0, little off pace from his 11.57, so we have to make near perfect runs/launches to even be beside you. The pushrod cars have to 60ft, they are not driving around anyone…Bring a racecar to the event and then we can judge the combos correctly. If the combo still needs to be adjusted, take weight off the car/combo, it sucks racing @3400lbs and a weight change could have been so much more predictable for the NMRA. I know the cc rule didin't affect the combo that much, maybe 5-7hp,maybe. I don’t envy you, trying to 60ft a 3400+lb car. It’s not easy; it is far easier with less weight. My main gripe is, that at any time you could say, ”time to pull some weight off the nose” and get rid of some creature comforts, do more testing and voila, traction!! The car would/could be more consistent in the 60ft and you would be able to better use the 117mph hp under the hood. Shawn did. It’s not like you would consult with the NMRA in regards to these changes and they would take the gear away, correct? There is no disputing that the top 2 cars with the other combos are strictly racecars and retain no street equipment. There is no regard for “cruising needs.” This is not a shot at you, just speaking my mind on the combo.
This season so far has been some damn close and the best racing I’ve ever seen in F/S. Close racing even among teammates, not afraid to put another car on the trailer!!
I was very optimistic a couple weeks ago about the “potential” of the pushrod combo. That was before we spent $6000 and rented an engine dyno for 3 days testing 4 different cams and a new state-of-the-art shortblock and picked up 1 hp, that’s right guys 1 hp. Now I do believe the new engine will accelerate faster due to lightweight components, but the combo is pretty much maxed out, not that the 4V is not in a similar situation. We have been running this same combo for 7 years now and we have tried and tested mostly everything we can. There might be hundredths here and there from different items or driving, but the days of a tenth pickup because we had the “wrong” cam or heads, will not happen. Quote from Rich Groh: “these heads have the best flow numbers I have ever seen”. So what can we do? We can’t put a different port program on the heads! A couple F/S and P/S champs got together and picked 4 different cams and they are all within 1 hp of each other. We have tons of experience, the best/trickest parts money can buy, and we’ve pretty much hit a brick wall in performance. Looking for suggestions…
It was the 2V combination that worried me, now both combos will put the pushrod back in a solid third, based on performance. The 2V is another story that has yet to be told. That combo will evolve into a good one.
The racing this year was decided by the drivers and the chassis calls made before the rounds, not the combinations. I still don’t understand WTF the 6 members on the rules committee were thinking. Jeff asks for a 4:30 gear and YOU GUYS FIGURE "WHAT THE HELL IF WE LET ANY GEAR IN MAYBE WE WILL GET AN EXTRA RACE ENTRY AT THE GATE"$$$????!!!!!!! I mean what else makes sense when you look at the performance/et/mph of the combos this year????? Remember the whole "weight" thing,use it!
This is nothing personal against anyone who races a particular combo, I respect anyone who works hard at heads up racing, traveling, testing and having the balls to go heads up. But let the racing be decided on the track, not around a ****in’ table over coffee. We ****, eat and breathe these class rules and racing, and you guys decide our fate in your “spare” time, or does any member of the committee work “full time” at class monitoring and making rules. I DON’T THINK SO!!!! Stop ****ing with the rules NMRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do have a solution, put me on the committee, I watch every single heads up car go down the track from F/S to SSO. I don’t have to worry about checking for loose ballast or how many spectators/cars come through the gate or when my next episode of Power TV is due!!! Please remove your heads from where the sun doesn’t shine and fix this.......
Stay tuned for my R/S 2V rant…… ;)
I guess my Buddy Club membership might expire after this one.:eek:
2V 11.42-current rules-GA
pushrod-11.46-current rules-GA
4V 11.46 current rules w/traction-loc and 3.90 gear (Shawn BG 06)------------2007/11.53 W/4:10 GEAR AND SPOOL (MAKES SENSE HUH?)
*****Also-Not in great air of BG!!******yet
It’s funny how this reminds me so much of the Cosby era. It’s not the combination that gets ruled, but “whose car” is running the combination.
If you took Shawn’s car with the current rules, it would be well in the 40’s by now w/ 4:10 gear and spool, and with this rule would get back to his 11.30 performances on a regular basis. You guys can’t sit here and say a freakin’ 3400lb car will not respond when going from a 4:10 to a 4:88, seriously guys think about it!!!!!! So you take your stock heavy ass Mach 1 to the track with 3.55’s and then put a 4:10 in, how much would that pick it up? Maybe 3-4 tenths, but it won’t make a difference from a 4:10 to a 4:88??? C’mon!!!!
That’s right Jeff I said it, you bring a “street” car to the racetrack. The rules get swayed in your favor when you have been right beside us all year long. It would all be different in the win column, had it not been for a clutch slip or a few tire revolutions, and I truly mean that. You might say so what, but if you took the weight of all the “street” parts on your car and put them over the rear tires you might not have the “traction” issues you speak of. Please tell me you don’t agree and that’s why all the drag radial and other heads up “racecars” have steel hoods, ABS brakes, A/C, stereos and Corbeau seats. I think I heard Booze jamming out to his new Sony cd player in the lanes last race…. What parts have the 4V’s broken so many of this year that necessitates a rule change? If the combo needs to be adjusted for parts breakage and a boost in ET why not use NMRA’s favorite tool of weight??????????? I’d rather see 75lbs off the combo which will help “parts breakage” and give ET help. Did any 4V’s break anything in eliminations that caused them to lose the race?????? Just wondering??
You said yourself at an event that we were all running 60’s, “it doesn’t matter if it bogs or spins, it runs the same ET” or something to that effect. I do know that in round 1 against Denny, John Paulk spun and he ran a 12.0, little off pace from his 11.57, so we have to make near perfect runs/launches to even be beside you. The pushrod cars have to 60ft, they are not driving around anyone…Bring a racecar to the event and then we can judge the combos correctly. If the combo still needs to be adjusted, take weight off the car/combo, it sucks racing @3400lbs and a weight change could have been so much more predictable for the NMRA. I know the cc rule didin't affect the combo that much, maybe 5-7hp,maybe. I don’t envy you, trying to 60ft a 3400+lb car. It’s not easy; it is far easier with less weight. My main gripe is, that at any time you could say, ”time to pull some weight off the nose” and get rid of some creature comforts, do more testing and voila, traction!! The car would/could be more consistent in the 60ft and you would be able to better use the 117mph hp under the hood. Shawn did. It’s not like you would consult with the NMRA in regards to these changes and they would take the gear away, correct? There is no disputing that the top 2 cars with the other combos are strictly racecars and retain no street equipment. There is no regard for “cruising needs.” This is not a shot at you, just speaking my mind on the combo.
This season so far has been some damn close and the best racing I’ve ever seen in F/S. Close racing even among teammates, not afraid to put another car on the trailer!!
I was very optimistic a couple weeks ago about the “potential” of the pushrod combo. That was before we spent $6000 and rented an engine dyno for 3 days testing 4 different cams and a new state-of-the-art shortblock and picked up 1 hp, that’s right guys 1 hp. Now I do believe the new engine will accelerate faster due to lightweight components, but the combo is pretty much maxed out, not that the 4V is not in a similar situation. We have been running this same combo for 7 years now and we have tried and tested mostly everything we can. There might be hundredths here and there from different items or driving, but the days of a tenth pickup because we had the “wrong” cam or heads, will not happen. Quote from Rich Groh: “these heads have the best flow numbers I have ever seen”. So what can we do? We can’t put a different port program on the heads! A couple F/S and P/S champs got together and picked 4 different cams and they are all within 1 hp of each other. We have tons of experience, the best/trickest parts money can buy, and we’ve pretty much hit a brick wall in performance. Looking for suggestions…
It was the 2V combination that worried me, now both combos will put the pushrod back in a solid third, based on performance. The 2V is another story that has yet to be told. That combo will evolve into a good one.
The racing this year was decided by the drivers and the chassis calls made before the rounds, not the combinations. I still don’t understand WTF the 6 members on the rules committee were thinking. Jeff asks for a 4:30 gear and YOU GUYS FIGURE "WHAT THE HELL IF WE LET ANY GEAR IN MAYBE WE WILL GET AN EXTRA RACE ENTRY AT THE GATE"$$$????!!!!!!! I mean what else makes sense when you look at the performance/et/mph of the combos this year????? Remember the whole "weight" thing,use it!
This is nothing personal against anyone who races a particular combo, I respect anyone who works hard at heads up racing, traveling, testing and having the balls to go heads up. But let the racing be decided on the track, not around a ****in’ table over coffee. We ****, eat and breathe these class rules and racing, and you guys decide our fate in your “spare” time, or does any member of the committee work “full time” at class monitoring and making rules. I DON’T THINK SO!!!! Stop ****ing with the rules NMRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do have a solution, put me on the committee, I watch every single heads up car go down the track from F/S to SSO. I don’t have to worry about checking for loose ballast or how many spectators/cars come through the gate or when my next episode of Power TV is due!!! Please remove your heads from where the sun doesn’t shine and fix this.......
Stay tuned for my R/S 2V rant…… ;)
I guess my Buddy Club membership might expire after this one.:eek: