Horse Power

[BAD INT]

How much horse power are the pushrod engines making?

[SANDMAN]

I would guess 380@the wheels.
It seems the e7's make the same as GT40's

[f/s 4valve]

I would guess 380@the wheels.
It seems the e7's make the same as GT40's

if thats true mr.president i want my 125lbs. back:D

[Ian Mullane]

I would guess 380@the wheels.
It seems the e7's make the same as GT40's

:eek::eek::eek:

Carlos holding out on us till after the third race?

Seriously, I doubt you will get a straight answer. Do the math.

[TEI]

I would guess 380@the wheels.

maybe a 2v modular.:eek:

[SANDMAN]

farmers 2v makes about the same.
he just holding back

[SANDMAN]

they are all holding back.
sandbaggers

[SANDMAN]

Carlos can run 11.2's all day

he a bagger to

[SANDMAN]

:D

hehe

[TEI]

they are all holding back.
sandbaggers


Yup
Everybody is waiting for the mid-season rules change. Once the rules are out, then they crank them up.

[BAD INT]

I would guess 380@the wheels.
It seems the e7's make the same as GT40's

if the heads make the same power whats the better intake?
cobra or explorer?

[SANDMAN]

I remember the dyno shoot out from BG with the old rules.
Justin and Robin were something like 345rwhp 370TQ

[BAD INT]

I remember the dyno shoot out from BG with the old rules.
Justin and Robin were something like 345rwhp 370TQ

how long ago was that?

[TEI]

how long ago was that?

2003 or 2004

[Rick Walsh]

How much horse power are the pushrod engines making?
Last year mine made 330 @ the wheels and the car would run 11.80s to 11.90s at 114mph.Thats with mid 1.6 60fts and stock bottom end stock pistons notched by myself for the bigger cam.The weather was hot about 90 and humid.The same combo at Bradenton this year was running 11.80s @ 116 with 1.80 60 fts. Really good air,and me screwing with the suspension hence the poor 60 ft..Found the susp. gremlin and xterminated it.

[Stangfireman]

My old combo back in 2004 made 287hp/347tq to the rear wheels with E7's, Bassani 1 3/4 shorties and stock Ford cam. Now they allow 1 5/8 long tubes and wild duration cams. Car weighed 2950 with me in it and the weight for the E7's is still the same as back then. Ran a best ET of a 12.04 in Fla. and best speed of 113 in Columbus. Still don't know why it never ran an 11. Had 1.54 60fts but couldn't get that first 11 second pass for an E7 head. LOL

Rick, you want to come notch my pistons so I can throw these heads on and play? LOL Wait, M/T's still aren't legal. Darn!

Todd Savidge

[Rick Walsh]

My old combo back in 2004 made 287hp/347tq to the rear wheels with E7's, Bassani 1 3/4 shorties and stock Ford cam. Now they allow 1 5/8 long tubes and wild duration cams. Car weighed 2950 with me in it and the weight for the E7's is still the same as back then. Ran a best ET of a 12.04 in Fla. and best speed of 113 in Columbus. Still don't know why it never ran an 11. Had 1.54 60fts but couldn't get that first 11 second pass for an E7 head. LOL

Rick, you want to come notch my pistons so I can throw these heads on and play? LOL Wait, M/T's still aren't legal. Darn!

Todd Savidge
Sure I'll notch your pistons,but if they are of the old rules light weight flat top variety there might not be enough crown thickness and you'll likely ventilate the bottom end, and then they wouldnt be any good for even ash trays.On the 11s issue , what was your 1/8 mile speed and gearing.I had some out of whack 1/8 to 1/4 speeds which I traced to my fuel tune.It would mph on the top end but not in the 1/8 and once I started closing in on the tune the 1/8 mph started coming up with alittle loss in top end mph,but still needed some fine tuning.

[Stangfireman]

Rick,
That was back in 2004. I have no idea where the time slips are. I'm sure I saved the 12.04 from Fla. as no E7 had run that quick up to that point. Just lost track of it.
As far as the piston notching, it's a totally stock motor. Tried to get a baseline ET but broke a pro-shifted trans on my first pass. Just got it back from Bob Hanlon and now it has headers. So I doubt we would ventilate these stockers. Unless my sneaky pete malfunctions. ;)
I was kidding anyways. I can hardly afford to go bracket racing with everything going up. Luckily my mortgage payment stays the same. LOL

[Rick Walsh]

No problem , I figured you were kidding just making small talk as my plans for today are on hold cause of rain.Fixed mortgage the only safe way too go,talk to ya later.

[Tommy G.]

2v = 400+
4v = 400+
GT40 = 400+
E7's = 300 hp :D

So 250lbs on the 2v
250lbs on the 4v
200lbs on the GT40s
Deduct 100lbs for the E7's

That would be fair. ;)

[BAD INT]

Sure I'll notch your pistons,but if they are of the old rules light weight flat top variety there might not be enough crown thickness and you'll likely ventilate the bottom end, and then they wouldnt be any good for even ash trays.On the 11s issue , what was your 1/8 mile speed and gearing.I had some out of whack 1/8 to 1/4 speeds which I traced to my fuel tune.It would mph on the top end but not in the 1/8 and once I started closing in on the tune the 1/8 mph started coming up with alittle loss in top end mph,but still needed some fine tuning.

I have also wondered what are these cars running in the eighth also? et mph??????

[Stangfireman]

Found a post over on Stangcrazy.com that had some eighth mile info.

1.596
4.681
7.304
93.76
9.566
11.486
117.01


1.614
4.66
7.228
95.55
9.453
11.342
118.93


Hope that helped.

[Stangfireman]

Also found these passes. Now this was in extemely good air in Fla. this year..

60ft.....1.705........1.549
330......4.716........4.602
1/8.......7.232........7.164
mph.......97.55.......95.57
1000.......9.416........9.383
1/4........11.274......11.272
mph.......120.90.......118.65

[BAD INT]

Found a post over on Stangcrazy.com that had some eighth mile info.Hope that helped.

is that the site F/S racers hang out on cause this place is kinda dead :D

[Stangfireman]

is that the site F/S racers hang out on cause this place is kinda dead :D

Yes. You will find alot more smack talking there. LOL

[Tommy G.]

Also found these passes. Now this was in extemely good air in Fla. this year..

60ft.....1.705........1.549
330......4.716........4.602
1/8.......7.232........7.164
mph.......97.55.......95.57
1000.......9.416........9.383
1/4........11.274......11.272
mph.......120.90.......118.65

That pretty much sums it up there. This is me vs Steve in the semi's. Ken was right, it's fair. 1.70 60ft to 1.54 to run the same ET and give up 2+mph. Come on NMRA are ya blind?

[Stangfireman]

Just for the record, fastest pass in Mich. was by Tommy 11.33. Next fastest was John at 11.48. Steve was running 11.50's.
Tommy qualified with an 11.67. I'm sure everyone else would like to pick up three tenths from qualifying. :rolleyes:

[SANDMAN]

looks like the GT40s need a break.

[f/s 4valve]

looks like the GT40s need a break.

are you and carlos rolling your own cigs again :D talk like that will get you fired from my fan club.lol........... mr. president.

[Tommy G.]

The GT40's don't need anything. John has been right there all year. He would have been flying FL as well if he knew what a wideband .

[KenB]

I can't wait till we are done with this class so we can post our numbers. All these estimates are killing me. Either you guys are using very generous dynos you people can't drive.


Ken

[John Leslie Jr.]

The GT40's don't need anything. John has been right there all year. He would have been flying FL as well if he knew what a wideband .

If I knew what a wideband is?!...Is that what your saying? Oh yea, your right I have no idea. Sorry couldnt afford one at the time, and I do have one, and yea it helps. But how can you say the GT40's dont need anything, when even the mod guys are also saying we (gt40) need something.

[flo bee]

I can't wait till we are done with this class so we can post our numbers. All these estimates are killing me. Either you guys are using very generous dynos you people can't drive.


Ken

I bet a slew of racers here also can't wait 'til you're done with the class... :D

[SANDMAN]

Look what a question about pushrod hp has turned into. lmao

[Tommy G.]

If I knew what a wideband is?!...Is that what your saying? Oh yea, your right I have no idea. Sorry couldnt afford one at the time, and I do have one, and yea it helps. But how can you say the GT40's dont need anything, when even the mod guys are also saying we (gt40) need something.

Hmmm/// 15 to 1 = Boom ;)

Fine then give the GT40's 100lbs John I would be fine with that. I think we can dig up a set.

[nos84gt]

Hmmm/// 15 to 1 = Boom ;)

Fine the give the GT40's 100lbs John I would be fine with that. I think we can dig up a set.

We could probably dig up another car.....

[Rick Walsh]

I have also wondered what are these cars running in the eighth also? et mph??????My car would run 7.50 to .60s @90 to 92mph and add about 10 hp for every tenth approx. to my 330 rwhp to catch Tommy ,Steve and John L. say 11.85 -11.40s =.45 so add 45hp to 330 and you get approx. 375 rwhp now these are approx. est. lets not get upset.

[nos84gt]

What TQ did it make with the 330HP, Rick?

[SANDMAN]

But are they magic heads? :D

Hmmm/// 15 to 1 = Boom ;)

Fine then give the GT40's 100lbs John I would be fine with that. I think we can dig up a set.

[RHecox]

But are they magic heads? :D


JPC doesnt have anything less than magical.

Everything we do is magical. Dont you read the internet?

[Tommy G.]

But are they magic heads? :D

Of course only we have the magic heads :)

[Rick Walsh]

What TQ did it make with the 330HP, Rick?

If I remember right I think it was 339trq. I dont have the dyno sheet with me here at work,and the hp peak was at 5700 and the power curve was virtually flat from 5100 to 6400 only dropping about 10 to 15 hp at both ends.As youve probably figured out it has a good size cam and granted not with a race bottom end this was with bone stock 90 5.0 that I notched the pistons on. All this top secret crap about HP is BS , who the hell cares unless your hiding something and and dont wont a rules change,everyones who has been doing this for any time knows what it takes HP wise ,but when an outsider asks a simple question and gets a bunch of smart ass remarks no wonder the class counts are down I wouldnt want to race with you certain people, but I could give a rats ass thats why I still do.My 2 cents.I hope I havent hurt anyones feelings, Peace. This wasnt directed to you Jonathan, I just got side tracked.

[Ian Mullane]

Anybody that comes into one of these forums asking specific questions with the name "BAD INT" or bad intentions aught to expect a bit of reservation in the answers they get. If someone really wants to know horsepower #'s there are several good calculators. Check out Ken's on modulardepot.com. One of the more accurate ones I've come across. Dyno #'s are irrelevant anyway in comparing combo's, which we all do, because nobody is running thier different cars on the same dyno under the same conditions. I'd be willing to bet that if Ken posted Steve's peak dyno #'s nobody would believe him anyway.

[Tommy G.]

All this top secret crap about HP is BS , who the hell cares unless your hiding something and and dont wont a rules change,everyones who has been doing this for any time knows what it takes HP wise ,but when an outsider asks a simple question and gets a bunch of smart ass remarks no wonder the class counts are down I wouldnt want to race with you certain people, but I could give a rats ass thats why I still do.

I'm not assuming this is directed at anyone in particular but the reason things are kept secret are this is heads up, not bracket racing. Everyone spends thousands of dollars to be on the top and compete at the highest level. Time/money in testing, time away from their families etc. Just to be the best and win. We all know dyno #'s don't me squat, that's why we play with questions like this. Fine I made 350rwhp on the dyno before MI. How's that.

[nos84gt]

They are going to call you a liar, Tommy. The motor I used last season made about 10hp less...

[Tommy G.]

They are going to call you a liar, Tommy. The motor I used last season made about 10hp less...

That's honest truth. Whatever

[SANDMAN]

350 rwhp? liar.:D

That is nice for e7's

[KenB]

Ian is right, no one will believe us. But we made less than Tommy before MI. Not saying I don't want to make more, but everyone thinks we are blowing the class away with HP and we are not. I've been fortunate enough to have tuned somewhere in the neighboorhood of 20 FS event winning cars over the last few years between Steve and Shawn. And I obviously know what Jeff was making last year (unless he changed something on the car before he dropped it off) since we now have the car.

Like it was said, dyno numbers don't mean squat because all dynos are different. You can compare Dynojet numbers since those are always close but once you add in Mustang Dyno and Dyno Dynamics, who knows how they translate across brands.

[Rick Walsh]

They are going to call you a liar, Tommy. The motor I used last season made about 10hp less...
I would never call Tommy a liar , shame on you, he's a fibber :D:D:D just kidding. I'm sorry also I forgot this is the professional amatuer entry level heads up class . I just dont see the deal with telling someone looking at the class the HP level , they are the ones that will have to do the work to get there, is everyone in here that insecure,and with the testing Ive done and checking Power/speed calculators their pretty close.And furthermore we represent this class and the NMRA and acting like a dick when someone asks a question isnt professional even in an amatuer racing series.Also by the way just my opinion.Peace.

[Rick Walsh]

That pretty much sums it up there. This is me vs Steve in the semi's. Ken was right, it's fair. 1.70 60ft to 1.54 to run the same ET and give up 2+mph. Come on NMRA are ya blind?
That does sum it up +2 mph 1/8 and 1/4 is a diff. in HP sorry Steve. And I dont subscribe to the theory that it doesnt pick up on the top end if it 60s good , my car , if it doesnt 60 always = my loss on the top end and vice versa when it does 60 good and I know this is true on other cars Ive been involved with,sorry again Steve nothing personal , just the obvious.How did I end up on this?

[BAD INT]

Look what a question about pushrod hp has turned into. lmao

yep and they dont like my screen name either LMAO

BAD INTENT- BAD INT it was a tag on my 89 hatch

I am sorry some of you guys are taking it the wrong way I wasnt trying to intrude or piss people off.I was just curious what it took to be in the game hp wise.If any one wanted to give info on what parts to use would be great and I know you just dont bolt the parts on there is always a little fitting I'm not stupid just not in the know for this class.I am not hiding behind a screen name my name is Jon Simerly.I dont want to buy all the wrong parts then buy the right ones I would like to to have a fighting chance if I get to race.I know there has been major testing and refining in your combos and I know I will have to work at it.

[Tommy G.]

yep and they dont like my screen name either LMAO

BAD INTENT- BAD INT it was a tag on my 89 hatch

I am sorry some of you guys are taking it the wrong way I wasnt trying to intrude or piss people off.I was just curious what it took to be in the game hp wise.If any one wanted to give info on what parts to use would be great and I know you just dont bolt the parts on there is always a little fitting I'm not stupid just not in the know for this class.I am not hiding behind a screen name my name is Jon Simerly.I dont want to buy all the wrong parts then buy the right ones I would like to to have a fighting chance if I get to race.I know there has been major testing and refining in your combos and I know I will have to work at it.

I can easily help you call Rich Groh, owner of RGR Engines. He will build you the quickest and fastest Factory Stock engine bar none. His performance is proven on the track at every event. Just depends on how much money you want to spend, because sadly that does make a difference. Good luck.

[KenB]

That does sum it up +2 mph 1/8 and 1/4 is a diff. in HP sorry Steve. And I dont subscribe to the theory that it doesnt pick up on the top end if it 60s good , my car , if it doesnt 60 always = my loss on the top end and vice versa when it does 60 good and I know this is true on other cars Ive been involved with,sorry again Steve nothing personal , just the obvious.How did I end up on this?


Damn Rick, don't tell me you are buying into Tommy's BS. I didn't think he really had anyone fooled. True, looking at that data it does seem that way. But that was the first race of the year. How about we compare some MI slips? Oh wait, I did, laid all the data out there and no one seems to like it.

[nos84gt]

I've been fortunate enough to have tuned somewhere in the neighboorhood of 20 FS event winning cars over the last few years between Steve and Shawn.

Ummm...what kind of math are you using Ken??? 20 FS event winning cars??? LOL LOL LOL I dont think there has been 20 different FS winners in the past 7 years....

Rich '01.....Champion
Justin '02...Champion
Mike '03.....Champion
Jamie H. '03 and '05
Bob '04......Champion
Shawn '04, '05, '06...2x Champion
Jeff' '05, '06, '07
Tommy '07...Champion
Eric '06
Steve '07, '08
Jonathan '07

Where in the heck did you tune 20 FS event winning cars???? Six of those cars/drivers were JPC.....I am pretty sure there are some guys in '01 and '02 before I started following it; ie Robin Lawrence (Did he win a FS race). I know Mike W can chime in here and tell you exactly who won every race....

[f/s 4valve]

Ummm...what kind of math are you using Ken??? 20 FS event winning cars??? LOL LOL LOL I dont think there has been 20 different FS winners in the past 7 years....

Rich '01.....Champion
Justin '02...Champion
Mike '03.....Champion
Jamie H. '03 and '05
Bob '04......Champion
Shawn '04, '05, '06...2x Champion
Jeff' '05, '06, '07
Tommy '07...Champion
Eric '06
Steve '06, '07, '08
Jonathan '07

Where in the heck did you tune 20 FS event winning cars???? Six of those cars/drivers were JPC.....I am pretty sure there are some guys in '01 and '02 before I started following it; ie Robin Lawrence (Did he win a FS race). I know Mike W can chime in here and tell you exactly who won every race....

sorry jp. i didnt win in 06:p

[nos84gt]

sorry jp. i didnt win in 06:p OH, I thought you won at Atco....was that Jeff?? But you have won five in a row......

[f/s 4valve]

OH, I thought you won at Atco....was that Jeff?? But you have won five in a row......

yes i have i have been very lucky. dont forget we also had 5 different winners last year. and now the gt 40 has less weight.

[f/s 4valve]

what ken ment to say is between shawn and myself we have 20 wins.

[KenB]

what ken ment to say is between shawn and myself we have 20 wins.

Yes I thought that was obvious what I was saying. But then again everything I write they seem to ignore and just hear what they want so I should have expected it.

[Tommy G.]

Yes I thought that was obvious what I was saying. But then again everything I write they seem to ignore and just hear what they want so I should have expected it.

Put your pink thong back on Ken, Your whining again.:p I'll do you a favor, I'm gonna give you something to whine about in a few weeks.:)

[KenB]

Put your pink thong back on Ken, Your whining again.:p I'll do you a favor, I'm gonna give you something to whine about in a few weeks.:)

Pretty big talk from the guy who won his first race and has faded since. What is the worst a champ has finished following a championship? I think you have a solid shot at that record. I see a 4 in your future.

[Tommy G.]

Pretty big talk from the guy who won his first race and has faded since. What is the worst a champ has finished following a championship? I think you have a solid shot at that record. I see a 4 in your future.


Your right, after I won Bradenton last year I faded so fast .. LMAO, I won the championship remember, so much for fading. And Ken how many rings do you have? That's what I thought. How many does your camp have? So why don't you think before you type. Have A Nice Day:) Keep Smiling!

[f/s 4valve]

Your right, after I won Bradenton last year I faded so fast .. LMAO, I won the championship remember, so much for fading. And Ken how many rings do you have? That's what I thought. How many does your camp have? So why don't you think before you type. Have A Nice Day:) Keep Smiling!

i think im going to join team advanced auto repair. there alot nicer than you too.

[nos84gt]

what ken ment to say is between shawn and myself we have 20 wins.

Or he could of have said "Two FS event winning cars". JPC has tuned five FS event winning cars....Three of which have won the FS Championship....just stating facts....sorry...Man I miss heads-up racing....Anybody have a racecar that needs a driver??!!!!

[KenB]

Or he could of have said "Two FS event winning cars". JPC has tuned five FS event winning cars....Three of which have won the FS Championship....just stating facts....sorry...Man I miss heads-up racing....Anybody have a car that needs a driver??!!!!

Or we can compare the last 4 years. I'm in a car driving back from jersey right now though.

[nos84gt]

Or we can compare the last 4 years. I'm in a car driving back from jersey right now though.


Shouldn't you be concentrating on the road and not surfing on the net???

[KenB]

Shouldn't you be concentrating on the road and not surfing on the net???

I'm not driving genius. Although we did get run off the road by a semi a few hours ago on the turnpike.

[Tommy G.]

i think im going to join team advanced auto repair. there alot nicer than you too.

Steve you know your my Boy!:cool:

[f/s 4valve]

I can easily help you call Rich Groh, owner of RGR Engines. He will build you the quickest and fastest Factory Stock engine bar none. His performance is proven on the track at every event. Just depends on how much money you want to spend, because sadly that does make a difference. Good luck.

tommy since im making so much power shouldnt he be going to boss 330 racing . read the sig.......

[KenB]

Your right, after I won Bradenton last year I faded so fast .. LMAO, I won the championship remember, so much for fading. And Ken how many rings do you have? That's what I thought. How many does your camp have? So why don't you think before you type. Have A Nice Day:) Keep Smiling!



Well if you don't call missing the first three finals 'fading', then I guess you're not fading. I don't have any rings and I've never raced a full season with a worked out car. But don't worry, I'll be back soon for one. I guess the answer to the other question would be 2. Both Shawn. But I'm only getting started.

[Tommy G.]

Well if you don't call missing the first three finals 'fading', then I guess you're not fading. I don't have any rings and I've never raced a full season with a worked out car. But don't worry, I'll be back soon for one. I guess the answer to the other question would be 2. Both Shawn. But I'm only getting started.

Cool good luck. So you did Shawn complete car? :confused:

[Tommy G.]

tommy since im making so much power shouldnt he be going to boss 330 racing . read the sig.......

Not per your Guy Kenny. You killed Kenny you bastard :eek:

[f/s 4valve]

Not per your Guy Kenny. You killed Kenny you bastard :eek:

what...............who is kenny.

[Tommy G.]

what...............who is kenny.

Kenny Bjonnes / South Park, see aarp comment on stangcrazy. hahha lol

[f/s 4valve]

Kenny Bjonnes / South Park, see aarp comment on stangcrazy. hahha lol

lol yes i did were taking the gloves off now lol.:p

[KenB]

Cool good luck. So you did Shawn complete car? :confused:

No, why? You asked how many in our camp had rings. You may not know it but we did more than tune Shawn's car. He built most of it himself but we do work on it.