2008 NMRA Mid Season Rule Changes - June 25, 2008

[NMRA Adam]

Super Street Outlaw:
BASE WEIGHTS

ENGINE: 460/BB
POWER ADDER: Nitrous Oxide
BASE CI: 525
BASE WEIGHT: 3000

Clarification For Super Street Outlaw
7.6 FLOOR/TRUNK PAN/TRANSMISSION TUNNEL
FLOOR: Stock, unaltered floor-pan, except for through the floor sub frame connectors and shifter clearance, required from firewall to back bumper. Flat area of floor-pan starting at “kickup” for rear end (behind rear seat area) and rearward may be replaced with a minimum of .024” inch thick steel or .032” inch aluminum. Magnesium is prohibited. Transmission tunnel must remain stock & unaltered. Removable floor-pan sections and/or transmission tunnels prohibited. Area of floor only between frame rails may be modified as necessary for ladder bar clearance and maintenance. For vehicles meeting SFI Chassis Specifications 25.2 or 25.5, floor area may be modified and or replaced from the main hoop rearward, only between frame rails; minimum of .024” inch thick steel or .032” inch aluminum.



Pure Street:
BASE WEIGHTS

ENGINE: 5.0L
POWER ADDER: None
BASE CI: 311
BASE WEIGHT: 3025

ENGINE: 4.6 4V
POWER ADDER: None
BASE CI: 289
BASE WEIGHT: 3200


Real Street:
BASE WEIGHTS:

ENGINE: 5.0L
POWER ADDER: Nitrous Oxide
BASE CI: 311
WEIGHT: 3100

ENGINE: 5.0L
POWER ADDER: Supercharged
BASE CI: 311
WEIGHT: 3100

-Porting. 4.6 2V heads-add 100 lbs. to base weight.


Factory Stock:
BASE WEIGHTS:

ENGINE: 4.6 2V
POWER ADDER: None
BASE CI: 289
BASE WEIGHT: 3000

-2-valve combinations with ported heads add 225


Drag Radial:
BASE WEIGHTS:

POWER ADDER: Supercharged
BASE CI: 365
WEIGHT: 3000

POWER ADDER: Supercharged (X-TRIM, F1R, F1C)
BASE CI: 365
WEIGHT: 3225

-4.6 Modular equipped entries may deduct 225 pounds
-5.4 Modular equipped entries may deduct 150 pounds

Modular Muscle, Truck and Lighting, and Open Comp:
-Qualifying- If weather has caused the loss of one or more rounds of qualifying sessions, any entrants not qualified will be required to choose an index from the following list: 15.0, 14.0, 13.0, 12.0, 11.0, 10.0, 9.0 Competitor must submit their index to the race director on the last day of qualifying. Competitors will compete with their chosen index through eliminations. Any competitors who fail to submit their index on the qualifying day will automatically be assigned a 15.70 index.

7.1 ADVERTISING
NMRA REQUIRED DECALS: The following decals are required for competition in NMRA events.
NMRA Windshield Decal – must be installed on top of windshield. This NMRA decal must be the only decal on top of windshield. Other vehicle sponsor decals may be placed at base of windshield.
NMRA 2008 Drag Racing Series “Side” Decals – must be installed on each side of vehicle on quarter windows.

Class Sponsor Decal – class sponsor decal must be installed on base of windshield on the passenger side.

Permanent Numbers – permanent numbers are required for competition in this class. Must be on front, rear, and both side windows.

Sponsor Shootout Decal-Competitors must prominently display the sponsor’s official shootout logo directly behind the head lights, on each front bumper, on both sides of the vehicle, using the official decal supplied by NMRA.

The 2008 NMRA Mid-Season preliminary rule revisions/clarifications have been posted. The Rules Committee will continue analyzing these items and will be posting the FINAL NMRA & NMCA Mid Season Rule Revisions by Monday, June 30th. 2008.


If you have any questions, please contact nmrarules@promediapub.com.

[stangman98]

Pure Street:
BASE WEIGHTS

ENGINE: 5.0L
POWER ADDER: None
BASE CI: 311
BASE WEIGHT: 3025

ENGINE: 4.6 4V
POWER ADDER: None
BASE CI: 289
BASE WEIGHT: 3200


Real Street:
BASE WEIGHTS:

ENGINE: 5.0L
POWER ADDER: Nitrous Oxide
BASE CI: 311
WEIGHT: 3100

ENGINE: 5.0L
POWER ADDER: Supercharged
BASE CI: 311
WEIGHT: 3100

-Porting. 4.6 2V heads-add 100 lbs. to base weight.


Factory Stock:
BASE WEIGHTS:

ENGINE: 4.6 2V
POWER ADDER: None
BASE CI: 289
BASE WEIGHT: 3000


-2-valve combinations with ported heads add 225
If you have any questions, please contact nmrarules@promediapub.com.

Who on god's green earth comes up with this stuff? In RS Tim wins the first two and Bruce wins the last one and now the 5.0 combo is dropping 50lb and 4.6 is gaining another 50lb???

Now PS
in Fla. you had the mod combo win on a holeshot vs. a mod motor
In GA. Brandon just got around Ryan
In Mich. The results were close to GA. just the winners fliped
Now the 5.0 combo is loosing another 25lb while the mod combo is gaining another 50lb???

Lastly FS...
LEAVE IT ALONE. This has been some of the best racing. Is there really a need to change things that aren't broken? Now I know why (beside money) I don't try heads up classes. Does everyone have something against Modular combos or what?

[f/s 4valve]

Who on god's green earth comes up with this stuff? In RS Tim wins the first two and Bruce wins the last one and now the 5.0 combo is dropping 50lb and 4.6 is gaining another 50lb???

Now PS
in Fla. you had the mod combo win on a holeshot vs. a mod motor
In GA. Brandon just got around Ryan
In Mich. The results were close to GA. just the winners fliped
Now the 5.0 combo is loosing another 25lb while the mod combo is gaining another 50lb???

Lastly FS...
LEAVE IT ALONE. This has been some of the best racing. Is there really a need to change things that aren't broken? Now I know why (beside money) I don't try heads up classes. Does everyone have something against Modular combos or what?

its tough enough 7 weekends out the year to beat a 8 to 12 drivers. but now i have to beat 5 guys sitting around a table with a calculator with half the numbers missing. this is the biggest bunch of bull **** i have ever seen . if they dont want me to show up a phone call would have been fine.

[331cobra]

Tell me about it.

You can never outrun the pencil! Or in this case the typewriter!

[f/s 4valve]

Tell me about it.

You can never outrun the pencil! Or in this case the typewriter!

what kills me john. is you spend the money time and effort to build a car under (there rules) and if you have any sucess at all you get screwed. i cant speak for your class. but in two years of factory stock im the only combo that has had penaltys. every other combo has had something giving to them. my advise to all nmra racers dont win on a holeshot you will get screwed.

[gnklr50]

Tell me about it.

You can never outrun the pencil! Or in this case the typewriter!

john, you just called me and said you felt the rules were pretty fair... what happened in the last 1 hr?

[KenB]

I've been one of the biggest NMRA supporters over the last few years, encouraging all of my customers to come out and race. These rules make no sense to me at all. I think rules changes should be accompained by the data that caused the change. I'll still show up to race because I have an obligation to my racers and to the sponsors of my car. But I certainly won't be flying the NMRA flag unless someone can tell me what went into these rules changes. Hell, in FS there is a thread where everyone agreed that there were no rule changes needed. Is the NMRA against keeping everyone happy? Because they could have just left the rules alone and everyone would have been. I'd say the same would be true in PS. And adding weight is bad enough but the amount is simply outragous.

I'll be recommending some great local racing where rules are discussed and data is used to come up with them and for the most part this crap never happens. These changes are so out of left field that I thought it was a joke.

[f/s 4valve]

I've been one of the biggest NMRA supporters over the last few years, encouraging all of my customers to come out and race. These rules make no sense to me at all. I think rules changes should be accompained by the data that caused the change. I'll still show up to race because I have an obligation to my racers and to the sponsors of my car. But I certainly won't be flying the NMRA flag unless someone can tell me what went into these rules changes. Hell, in FS there is a thread where everyone agreed that there were no rule changes needed. Is the NMRA against keeping everyone happy? Because they could have just left the rules alone and everyone would have been. I'd say the same would be true in PS. And adding weight is bad enough but the amount is simply outragous.

I'll be recommending some great local racing where rules are discussed and data is used to come up with them and for the most part this crap never happens. These changes are so out of left field that I thought it was a joke.

they will never tell us anything because there is no data to back up there rules .......................

[sam sso2077]

what kills me john. is you spend the money time and effort to build a car under (there rules) and if you have any sucess at all you get screwed. i cant speak for your class. dont win on a holeshot you will get screwed.

And that my friends is the NMRA way, glad to be away from it.

See they changed the SSO rules in the rear floorpan area so a certain new super street outlaw car that really has been illegal is now legal.

Hey, NMRA, how come you didn't change the rules for Robbie's car too and allow the rack & pinion to be moved a few inches.

And what about the rear frame rails being "Notched" all the way to the rear bumper cover in SSO. That to me is not a "notch".

Good Day

[Shawn Johnson]

Are these changes final or up for debate?

[Adam Smith]

225 lbs on a 2V with ported heads??? Where is the data to back this up?? Thats pretty much whack....does the 2V get to run a 50 shot or something now??:cool:

[gnklr50]

The 2008 NMRA Mid-Season preliminary rule revisions/clarifications have been posted. The Rules Committee will continue analyzing these items and will be posting the FINAL NMRA & NMCA Mid Season Rule Revisions by Monday, June 30th. 2008.

[Shawn Johnson]

The 2008 NMRA Mid-Season preliminary rule revisions/clarifications have been posted. The Rules Committee will continue analyzing these items and will be posting the FINAL NMRA & NMCA Mid Season Rule Revisions by Monday, June 30th. 2008.



Sorry didn't see that.... I didn't get down that far into the page due to the shock....

[gnklr50]

Sorry didn't see that.... I didn't get down that far into the page due to the shock....

no need to be sorry... if you think these rules are jacked, you should see the NMCA rules LOL

[331cobra]

john, you just called me and said you felt the rules were pretty fair... what happened in the last 1 hr?

I did not comment on whether they are fair or not....I simply stated if you do well you will get hammered! I am not happy at all about getting 150lbs added to my combo. There are many other things that could have been done to even things out besides give me a lead trophy for the 3rd time in 1 year!

[gnklr50]

I did not comment on whether they are fair or not....I simply stated if you do well you will get hammered! I am not happy at all about getting 150lbs added to my combo. There are many other things that could have been done to even things out besides give me a lead trophy for the 3rd time in 1 year!

i must have misunderstood when i said "do you think the rules are fair now" and you stated "yes"... oh well :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Brandon Alsept]

Hey I feel your pain John I have now got 4 lead trophies in teh last two seasons. I am starting to think it stands for No Modular Racing Associacion.

[f/s 4valve]

I did not comment on whether they are fair or not....I simply stated if you do well you will get hammered! I am not happy at all about getting 150lbs added to my combo. There are many other things that could have been done to even things out besides give me a lead trophy for the 3rd time in 1 year!

wow they love you more than me. its taken them16 months to add 225lbs to me lol. what a joke.

[331cobra]

i must have misunderstood when i said "do you think the rules are fair now" and you stated "yes"... oh well :rolleyes::rolleyes:

I mean in my 1st post I did not comment on whether the rules were fair.

I told you that I definately thought that a 250lb swing evened things out.

My reasoning to you was in 2006 Chad went 8.10 & 8.13 and several other teen passes at 3400. He now could run 200lbs lighter! Thats a 7 second ride...I dont car how you add it up! LOL

I saw the XS rules and it makes me even more furious. Those guys go high 7's & 8.0's against your blower. The rulemakers obviously felt there was no need for a change to even things up there, but over here where the difference is about the same in et's there was a need for a 250lb swing! I feel like a whipping post!

[sam sso2077]

What about the Super Street Outlaw small block nitrous combos? Looks to me if the BB/nos got weight off went quicker & faster than I ever did last year, the small block would get weight off too? Oh wait, I went 7.45-46 and got 50lbs. I think the BB/nos combo should have 3000lbs all along, but when it went a 42 or 43 last at like 198mph, I wondered. Probably was spraying harder than normal as hasn't done it since ans seem to struggle at times, so it gets 50lbs off.

I think it's great the BB/nos got #50 off ,but where is the logic that I have been only 7.450 @ 185 at 2550lbs in average 2500' DA air (Yes 7.457 once @ 2600 but in 1400' DA good air, but mainly 7.48-51 in average 2200-2500' DA air), and I can't even get the 50lbs you guys put on me from last year taken back off.

[GeneHindman]

Hey I feel your pain John I have now got 4 lead trophies in teh last two seasons. I am starting to think it stands for No Modular Racing Associacion.

I thought Victor got that trophy too? I really think some of you guys are crying for no reason. I keep hearing you are getting penalized for working hard. When in reality, 3 years ago that combination got a huge GIFT and had alot of weight removed because no one was working hard enough to prove its potential. NMRA realed that combo in and got more of you to build them. Now that they have combo in the mix, they have to keep the field closer. A few years ago, no one thought the Modualr combo could do what it is doing or the weights would be where they are now and none of you would have ever attempted to build that combination. Now that you have and that you have the drive to be the best, the combo is really shining.
Just remember though, if it weren't for ME being penalized a few years ago, you wouldn't be getting it taken away now!!!lol:D:D

[Brandon Alsept]

So are you saying I don't have a reason to complain Gene? So I ran great in FL, I showed up ready to race. I can not control weather and I am not sure why no one else ran great in FL. It was nearly 3000 feet better than Bowling Green. If you want to do math alone people should have been right in the teens with me in FL. Now at GA it was close racing, same with MI. So why would there need to be a change. A pushrod was #1 Qual and Pushrod won the race beating a modular car. So now for staying up with the feild I get hit with 50lbs and they get -25lbs. That is a 75lb swing that will be hard to even up. Oh well got to get to WORK so I can get me another trophy if I do good again.:rolleyes:

[GeneHindman]

So are you saying I don't have a reason to complain Gene? So I ran great in FL, I showed up ready to race. I can not control weather and I am not sure why no one else ran great in FL. It was nearly 3000 feet better than Bowling Green. If you want to do math alone people should have been right in the teens with me in FL. Now at GA it was close racing, same with MI. So why would there need to be a change. A pushrod was #1 Qual and Pushrod won the race beating a modular car. So now for staying up with the feild I get hit with 50lbs and they get -25lbs. That is a 75lb swing that will be hard to even up. Oh well got to get to WORK so I can get me another trophy if I do good again.:rolleyes:

Hey, I commend you on your work ethic, it seems to be very good. I'm not going to get into the big pissing match about this, but I am NOT ignorant about racing tactics. You blew it! And you knew you did also, or you wouldn't have been at Tech so many times in the last 2 races trying to convince them that the rules are fair. You MPH was down in GA on many passes and in MI, I am sure there was an agenda on your mind also, but you did well there. It just took you 2 more races to refine your driving skills:D. That is no way a slam either. But you pulled a Bob Cosby and you knew it was coming. Now you can turn the shift RPM back up and get that 1st Modular in P/S Championship ring.
Oh and to answer your question,Yes you should be complaining, I'd be complaining too. The sqeaky wheel usually gets the grease.

[Brandon Alsept]

Hey, I commend you on your work ethic, it seems to be very good. I'm not going to get into the big pissing match about this, but I am NOT ignorant about racing tactics. You blew it! And you knew you did also, or you wouldn't have been at Tech so many times in the last 2 races trying to convince them that the rules are fair. You MPH was down in GA on many passes and in MI, I am sure there was an agenda on your mind also, but you did well there. It just took you 2 more races to refine your driving skills:D. That is no way a slam either. But you pulled a Bob Cosby and you knew it was coming. Now you can turn the shift RPM back up and get that 1st Modular in P/S Championship ring.
Oh and to answer your question,Yes you should be complaining, I'd be complaining too. The sqeaky wheel usually gets the grease.

Well thanks for the best wishes Gene and yes I work hard on this program. I have not been in tech saying a word so whoever said that is mistaken. I just see tech a couple times at a race and some extra time in GA LOL. I normally don't complain but NMRA is throwing weight around like it is goinmg out of style. We actually have some of the closest racing in classes we have ever saw. Now they are throwing 75-100 lb swings like it is not a thing which will run off people.

So you gonna make it to BG gene may need you to bring me something ;)

[vrtical]

I am starting to think it stands for No Modular Racing Associacion.

Always has been always will be nothing has changed. If you get too close to having close racing you get lead and lots of it.

[SwillRacer]

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I agree with what most of Gene has said....

Regardless, this isn't the final rules change, it's the proposed rule change. So what you guys need to do is email NMRA and politely let them know why you think the proposed rule changes are/are not a good idea.

[KenB]

I thought Victor got that trophy too? I really think some of you guys are crying for no reason. I keep hearing you are getting penalized for working hard. When in reality, 3 years ago that combination got a huge GIFT and had alot of weight removed because no one was working hard enough to prove its potential. NMRA realed that combo in and got more of you to build them. Now that they have combo in the mix, they have to keep the field closer. A few years ago, no one thought the Modualr combo could do what it is doing or the weights would be where they are now and none of you would have ever attempted to build that combination. Now that you have and that you have the drive to be the best, the combo is really shining.
Just remember though, if it weren't for ME being penalized a few years ago, you wouldn't be getting it taken away now!!!lol:D:D

So are you going to completely ignore the better weather in Bradenton? Cause if you looked at weather correction, Brandon's times are pretty close all season.


Ken

[GeneHindman]

So are you going to completely ignore the better weather in Bradenton? Cause if you looked at weather correction, Brandon's times are pretty close all season.


Ken
Ya, and it was the same for everyone else racing there also. Density Alitude wasn't just 300 below for Brandon only. However, I will say this... Brandon is the only top runner to lose 2 tenths in three races, when most everyone else has picked up a little. I'm not on the rules committee and I didn't send any rules revisions in, so don't shoot me. I am just voicing logic.
I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I agree with what most of Gene has said.... Thanks

Always has been always will be nothing has changed. If you get too close to having close racing you get lead and lots of it. That's a very intelligent response to this:rolleyes:... Hey I feel your pain John I have now got 4 lead trophies in teh last two seasons. I am starting to think it stands for No Modular Racing Associacion. But I remember the Modular being favored and recieving everything they asked for until 2007. The lead trophies has come and gone with every combination. If you raced in NMRA in 2002-2005, then you should still have those same lead trophies sitting around, cause you got to take them out during those years.
I am going to try and be done with this thread now, don't say something stupid to make me come back.:D

[brian@afm]

Something stupid...where you goin?

[RHecox]

Ya, and it was the same for everyone else racing there also. Density Alitude wasn't just 300 below for Brandon only. However, I will say this... Brandon is the only top runner to lose 2 tenths in three races, when most everyone else has picked up a little. I'm not on the rules committee and I didn't send any rules revisions in, so don't shoot me. I am just voicing logic.
Thanks

That's a very intelligent response to this:rolleyes:... But I remember the Modular being favored and recieving everything they asked for until 2007. The lead trophies has come and gone with every combination. If you raced in NMRA in 2002-2005, then you should still have those same lead trophies sitting around, cause you got to take them out during those years.
I am going to try and be done with this thread now, don't say something stupid to make me come back.:D

I think the Trick Flow heads should lose the 50 pound penalty you had thrown on them. Is that dumb enough for you? :D

Stick around Gene, you're pure (street) entertainment.

[KenB]

Ya, and it was the same for everyone else racing there also. Density Alitude wasn't just 300 below for Brandon only. However, I will say this... Brandon is the only top runner to lose 2 tenths in three races, when most everyone else has picked up a little. I'm not on the rules committee and I didn't send any rules revisions in, so don't shoot me. I am just voicing logic.


Well based on the weather Brandon should have slowed down. But the problem is, everyone else didn't. So they actually picked up.


Ken

[impakn]

how about 100lbs off small block nos combo so i can show up and be uncompetative.

[RHecox]

how about 100lbs off small block nos combo so i can show up and be uncompetative.

in what class?

[NMRAPaul]

in what class?

P/S, of course. :D