no heads up racers

[sunkist351]

just wanted to know if anybody else thought that its wrong for the heads up racers to buy in 2ed round of bracket. or people from o/c. souldnt this be for the bracket racers.

[NUTTSGT]

I've seen it many times. I've seen the bracket guys buy back in again. I have no problem with it. The way I look at it, if you're making the long haul to go to the track and race, it sometimes gives the guys another pass that they can "run it out the backdoor" or tune on the car.

[sunkist351]

yes bracket guys should buy back in its their class. they have no where else to go in the series. to me its like me buying into second round of lets say p/s or h/s. i just dont think its right.

[Adam Smith]

I didn't think it was legal for ANY heads up class or(OC, MM,Truck) to make any more passes beyond their 3 qualifiers once qualifying/eliminations have started? Provided their car was still in competition anyway. If your eliminated and want to race brackets thats legal.

[shelton823]

We would like nothing better than to be able to enter as many classes as the vehicle fits. The better question is why dont the bracket racers petition NMRA to allow them to enter MM, OC or Truck. We have asked and failed to enter both as we used to in our previous series. I have seen 600+ cars race brackets in Ohio and other tracks when they are open to everyone who fits the class. This is truly a spectacle and winning these races is a very big accomplishment. I agree no one should have to lose first round to race brackets I think if the car fits race it.

Also i think Heads up racers are typically at a disadvantage when bracket racing as there different skills required in each style of racing that are very difficult to combine.

Best wishes and good luck racing.

[shelton823]

Here is another idea to help out the local bracket racers. Put a bounty on anyone who comes over from the points series classes. Say $10 per racer and however many racers take out a crossover in the 2rd round split the money. Also allow the crossovers to put up money against losing in the second round. Im sure there are smarter people than me that can figure out the details. This is no different than putting a bounty on a pro poker player when they play local events. I saw at least 30 people in the stands at atco that would love to bankroll this type of action....just sayin.

[Adam Smith]

You can't enter the same car in more than one class, the car would get more passes down the track and therefore a competitive advantage before eliminations. Only real difference between brackets and Open Comp is an NMRA membership.

[sunkist351]

ok i think everybody is loosing the real question or point here. what im saying is on sunday, after first round is over in all points classes, the people that lose first round in points can then buy into the second round of brackets. how is this fair to the bracket racers who won first round. they now have more people to eliminate. yes this is good for the points guys who traveled far for a second chance to win money. but the bracket racers only have one chance. and guess what some have traveled just as far.not saying i want anything changed. it is what it is. but just wanted to see what everybody elses opinion is on this. and why doesnt nmra let people run more then one class. we do it in the nhra points series.

[sunkist351]

also more bracket racers need to post more here. i think the bracket racers have the most car count in any class. i may be wrong. but maybe if people from the brackets get more involved maybe we will get more coverage. also maybe the nmra should also have it so that the bracket racers need to be members to. to race.

[shelton823]

Have heard the argument about more qualifying passes and it is one of the only ones that make any sense. So make all points racers forfeit their time trials for the brackets. Plus i did not miss the point that was made about racers coming in after the first round is complete...they are basically paying a buy back. What is the real concern?

We are bracket racers that want to have a chance to make some money as well. So we enter other classes we fit into. No one has chimed in on a bounty idea either. Lets work this idea to the end. I was told that regulars racing the brackets would drive locals away from coming out. Is this true?

Again I point to 600 bracket cars in other series as proof that regular points racers in brackets does not destroy the competition.

[Adam Smith]

qualifying

Again I point to 600 bracket cars in other series as proof that regular points racers in brackets does not destroy the competition.


No just the series itself..:D I guess I was misunderstanding the question. So the bracket racers think its unfair that the NMRA member classes can dive into the 2nd round of brackets after being eliminated in their original class? Unfortunately the NMRA is a business guys, and the more money they can bring in, well, the more they will like it. I guess I don't understand why bracket guys don't run Open Comp/ You get eliminated, then you can buy into the second round of brackets.;)

[Conrad]

I was one of the racers that lost first round in O/C......But i did make the one and only time trial and ALL of the rounds.I watched all three rounds of O/C,Truck,and M/M before the brackets started.What is the difference if my car fits the class.I wish i could enter more classes it shouldn't be any advantage to anyone to enter any class.i will be bringing a car for the brackets and O/C and if i lose i will be entered in brackets with 2 cars.....

[V6 HEAT]

Please take my money too. If I can have a vote - let the heads up/points class cars run both heads up/points and brackets, up-front if they want to. :D

At FFW - It was fun to know if you lose one class that you had a shot at the others. Or have the shot at winning multiple classes.

More money for NMRA - Larger car counts in the classes. Whoo Hooooo!!! :-)

[Conrad]

ok i think everybody is loosing the real question or point here. what im saying is on sunday, after first round is over in all points classes, the people that lose first round in points can then buy into the second round of brackets. how is this fair to the bracket racers who won first round. they now have more people to eliminate. yes this is good for the points guys who traveled far for a second chance to win money. but the bracket racers only have one chance. and guess what some have traveled just as far.not saying i want anything changed. it is what it is. but just wanted to see what everybody elses opinion is on this. and why doesnt nmra let people run more then one class. we do it in the nhra points series.

This was my first NMRA event so i can't sat anything about the past. But i lost in O/C( to Tom who lost in the final GREAT JOB )and bought into b-3 because it was 25.00 and i like footbreak best! i then got a time run and watched at least 2nd round go down the track might of been 3rd also then they called 1st round of brackets.I really just love racing and wish they would let us run multable classes anyhow.Its just more money in there pocket at the end.now i wish i would bought in to b-1 there were only like 4 cars or something.....but who ever knows that stuff

[Conrad]

After reading my post i wanted to clarify Tom you did a great job getting to the final!!!!!A 5 speed car at that very impressive dude!!!

[Adam Smith]

But entering the same car in multiple classes is an advantage to that car. You get more passes and testing than anyone else, only because you were willing to dump the multiple entry fees. Those with all the money would have a huge advantage, well, more so than they already do...:)

[shelton823]

Do not allow the extra time runs for those entering showdown and brackets. Not that big a deal. Anyone who has tried to run several classes can tell you the problems of racing multiples far outweigh any advantage. Don't know of any big money racers who would take this approach anyway. It is some of us broke folks who want every opportunity to collect a gas money check.

[paxtonpwr]

I say let em in, the real bracket guys will eventually weed them out anyway and still get the big prize. I was happy to run brackets which is included in TS entries on sun and even had a buddy buy back in, the extra $$ helps keep these series alive and lets more people be involved. I had an alt. crap out on sat. so missed the tracktime I really needed for a brand new combo, I was a bummed until sun. came around. I figured at least I would get 1 qual. pass and 1st round of data logs out of running it and had a blast. I even managed to bring home a check by pure luck alone and sure enough a real bracket guy picked me off eventually :)

[Conrad]

What is the big deal about going down the track. I come to race and if I fit in a class well thats were i'll run. Why wouldn't you want more cars in all the classes I want a high car count every time I race. I will be attending the rest of the events I will be bringing 2 cars. If I happen to lose before the brackets have started or already in the brackets i will be racing 2 cars in brackets. Not trying to make anyone mad or upset i just want a chance to get back some money when i'm at the race.

[shelton823]

Plus you are a crackhead. See my post in the O/C, M/M thread.

[sunkist351]

what i am saying is let people run 2 classes from the start. trust me its not a big advantage to run the extra runs. if you run a bracket car you should know what your car does in one pass. right or wrong i know people are going to argue this point. but anyway. we are able to run in 2 classes in nhra points series. whats the big deal. just seemed like there were double the cars in second round then in the first round on sunday. sat. wasnt a prob. ho wis that fair to the people thT WON first round to have to knock out the same amout of people again. if you think about it, it seems like first round was a waste for that person. and yes its a business and they want money but its aslo a game and needs to be fair.

[Adam Smith]

what i am saying is let people run 2 classes from the start. trust me its not a big advantage to run the extra runs. if you run a bracket car you should know what your car does in one pass. right or wrong i know people are going to argue this point. but anyway. we are able to run in 2 classes in nhra points series. whats the big deal. just seemed like there were double the cars in second round then in the first round on sunday. sat. wasnt a prob. ho wis that fair to the people thT WON first round to have to knock out the same amout of people again. if you think about it, it seems like first round was a waste for that person. and yes its a business and they want money but its aslo a game and needs to be fair.

Fair? If your looking for fair this is the wrong sport, if your looking to make money, this is the wrong sport. If your looking to go out and attempt to have fun and occasionally stroke your own ego with a win or runner up, then you are in the right place.:D
Send it to the rules committee, this thread could be 1400 pages with 1,000,000 views but unless a formal rules change is submitted, nothing will happen. Run your number and cut a good light and it shouldn't matter how many times you have to race or who you race.:)

[NMRAJeff]

As long as you are running a Heads up class were points are given towards the season championship you will not get a chance to run time trials with the Bracket cars. If you get put out first round on Sunday you have the option to by back just like all of the other bracket racers are able too I think this is fair enough and it's how we have been doing it for years and I don't seeing it being changed any time soon. You got to remember some people might not be able to financially be able to enter both a heads-up class and the brackets those extra hits during Bracket time trials will give you an advantage over your fellow racers running for points that don't buy a bracket ticket especially Sunday morning before first round. It just would not be fair.

[Adam Smith]

You've got to remember some people might not be financially able to enter both a heads-up class and the brackets, those extra hits during Bracket time trials will give you an advantage over your fellow racers running for points that don't buy a bracket ticket, especially Sunday morning before first round.

What Mr. Conley said...:)

[shelton823]

As long as you are running a Heads up class were points are given towards the season championship you will not get a chance to run time trials with the Bracket cars. If you get put out first round on Sunday you have the option to by back just like all of the other bracket racers are able too I think this is fair enough and it's how we have been doing it for years and I don't seeing it being changed any time soon. You got to remember some people might not be able to financially be able to enter both a heads-up class and the brackets those extra hits during Bracket time trials will give you an advantage over your fellow racers running for points that don't buy a bracket ticket especially Sunday morning before first round. It just would not be fair.


No problem with this what so ever. But why not allow the double entry and prohibit time trials in brackets for points cars. I think this limitation would be acceptable. Again if extra time trials for points cars is the major problem just disallow the extra time runs. This would serve as a disincentive to many racers just looking for extra time runs and provide a boost to car counts in brackets. Most bracket racers would love to have the opportunity to race against someone who has not had a time trial before first round. Those who sign up to do both know the risk beforehand.

We will be formalizing this specific request through the rules submission process just as soon as I figure out what the hell that is.:D

[NMRAJeff]

all Rules change requests need to be submited to nmrarules@ promediapub.com. Feel free to submit your request. Look in my Signature

[Conrad]

As long as you are running a Heads up class were points are given towards the season championship you will not get a chance to run time trials with the Bracket cars. If you get put out first round on Sunday you have the option to by back just like all of the other bracket racers are able too I think this is fair enough and it's how we have been doing it for years and I don't seeing it being changed any time soon. You got to remember some people might not be able to financially be able to enter both a heads-up class and the brackets those extra hits during Bracket time trials will give you an advantage over your fellow racers running for points that don't buy a bracket ticket especially Sunday morning before first round. It just would not be fair.

I will say this again ive only been at 1 NMRA event ATCO so I dont know,but the bracket time trail on sunday was after 2 rounds of O/C because I lost first round and bought into brackets still in time to run the time trail. My car broke a rocker on the pass i towed it back fixed it went up took picts of Chris Parasi in SST 2nd round and still made first round of brackets. So i don't know where someone had a chance to go down the track before first round. Thats all I was saying. I really don't want any problems I just didn't understand the first guys post. Then I do like that other people agree that it would be good to enter a car in multible classes.

[sunkist351]

wow ok i got people talking in here. im not looking to change anything just wanted peoples opinion. i said that at the begining. wow do people get wound up. lol. just wanted peoples opinions. not looking to change the world.

[Conrad]

wow ok i got people talking in here. im not looking to change anything just wanted peoples opinion. i said that at the begining. wow do people get wound up. lol. just wanted peoples opinions. not looking to change the world.

I believe everyone gave you there opinion....now you said people were getting wound up....maybe your confussed between wound up and discussion.I have said all along I am the new guy, I don't want to get people upset,I just want every oppertuinty to make money(get a check)at every race I attend!!! As far as me I don't know anyone who loves racing as much as me.I enjoy the different tracks,people,and all the cars. The forms is just a continueation of all that I love so......I'm not upsrt at all:):):):)

[sunkist351]

i was just making general statement. i love this as much as you but when people are talking about wrighting the rules commity.i call that a little wound up. dont you.

[V6 HEAT]

Okay - lets get back to the important stuff.

Like - Where are the NMRA girls? we need some of them in the Winners Circle photos too. :D

Also, don't forget to stop by Tom Conrad's trailer for a friendly game of Texas Holdem Friday night in MI. :cool:

See everyone in 2 weeks!!!

[sunkist351]

lmao, well said chris, where was the game at atco? i was looking to throw some money away lol. also where are the vids ot atco. is it me or are they not posted yet.

[TOM89LX50]

After reading my post i wanted to clarify Tom you did a great job getting to the final!!!!!A 5 speed car at that very impressive dude!!!

Thanks Tom! That was a really good, close race! I got pretty lucky on that one. Good luck the rest of the year. Maybe see you in Ohio. Not sure if I can make it though. You are a real threat in O/C. They better keep an eye on you. Later. Tom DeMalto.

P.S. GREAT job on the buy back and take down in brackets! You really stirred one up this time! Lol.

[Conrad]

Thanks Tom! That was a really good, close race! I got pretty lucky on that one. Good luck the rest of the year. Maybe see you in Ohio. Not sure if I can make it though. You are a real threat in O/C. They better keep an eye on you. Later. Tom DeMalto.

P.S. GREAT job on the buy back and take down in brackets! You really stirred one up this time! Lol.

Can't thank you enough for the very kind words.It was an outstanding race hope to see you in ohio.....and im going to try to keep stirring it up....

[Mockstang]

Well as a bracket racer i don't mine racing any heads-up or open comp racer AS LONG THEY FALL INTO THE RULE OF THE BRACKET CLASS we all there to have fun and go rounds.Nobody don't want to go home after the first round after making a long haul to a race.I hated it when you could'nt buy back and that suck.All bracket racer know that first & secound rounds are the hardest round becuase of buyback and losing secound round and your weekend is DONE. Our team is made not have the best tow rigs but we are some of the last one to leave the track.2006 & 2008 NMRA Bracket 3 Champion at Beech Bend we do'nt want to spend any more money then what we have to at a race. Two cars one class for our team.I would like to see bracket winner pic in with the heads-up classes winner on the front of NMRA site because we to drive long haul and paying the entry to race just like the Big Dogs but on a smaller scale.

[sunkist351]

that was very well said mocksatng very well said.