Real Street Baseless Rumors

[MichaelFreedman]

Once again, baseless rumors are flying around about superchargers and there legality. Due to the inequality of the rules, some of the Real Street racers have switched from the Procharger to the Novi. Keep in mind that this is the same Novi that is run in Renegade. The one person who is sticking with it is now being accused of running a "cheater" blower. Not only is this not true, he is also running the 4.50 pulley as specified in the rule books. All the other guys were running the 4.25 pulley. It seems like a trend in the lower heads up racing classes. If someone does well, they must be cheating. Well, in this case it isnt true. As of the first of the year the P1-SC2 was legalized by the NMRA to run in Real Street. If anyone has one of these blowers and wants to bring it to BG, we will be glad to put it on the car and back to back it. We aren't running a cheater blower, we have NEVER ran a cheater blower, or any other cheater parts for that matter.

Lets all grow up, and stop spreading baseless rumors.

Michael Freedman

[wickedrenegade]

You switch to real street mike? as for the blower pully size....we just received our "real street" kit from paxton...i didnt even measure the pulley.....ill check it on monday.....but have people been running the 4.25? didnt the nmra enforce the rules? just sucks thsat people cant just play by the rules.........i know my boy jermey has a 4.50......unless that is who the rumor is about? kevin @ wicked

[stang_racer89]

Hey everyone,

I'm in the process of building a car for R/S next year. I haven't been able to decide on which super charger to use yet and would like some information on the P1-sc2. I'm using the current rule book as a basis for what I have done so far.(I know it may change over the winter, but wanted to get a head start) I don't see any mention of a P1-sc2. Is this something new? I've searched through the rules revisions on this site and haven't seen anything about it. Does it use the same pulleys? I guess I'll call Procharger and ask about it this week, maybe a call to NMRA as well.

Wicked I think you need to read the rule book a little though, only the procharger uses a 4.5 pulley. The pulleys are blower specific. Hope that helps.

I'll be at Bowling Green spectating:( Hopefully I'll get to meet some of you.

[MichaelFreedman]

In early October there will be some testing done to equalize the blowers. I would suggest waiting until the results of the test are published before making your decision.

As for me switching from Renegade.... Yes that is true, but Im moving up in class. The Real Street car that I am refering to is Mike Dezotel's car.

Mike Freedman

[wickedrenegade]

sorry for the typo.......whatever the blower comes with that is......i was just refering to the post mike made thats all.......i dont really have to measure the "kit"......if i asked for a real street spec blower then i should be to the full extent of the rules thats all......i thought mike was saying someone was running a smaller than legal size thats all.........on the novi2000..........
Yeah u are going to PRO or drag radial mike? Same car or building a NEW ONE? good luck in all your travels.....kevin @ wicked

[Ed Curtis]

Originally posted by MichaelFreedman
Once again, baseless rumors are flying around about superchargers and there legality.

And what rumors are these???

Due to the inequality of the rules, some of the Real Street racers have switched from the Procharger to the Novi. Keep in mind that this is the same Novi that is run in Renegade.

And why is this bad???

The one person who is sticking with it is now being accused of running a "cheater" blower.

And who is making these accusations???

Not only is this not true, he is also running the 4.50 pulley as specified in the rule books. All the other guys were running the 4.25 pulley.

I know Beningo's car has the same pulley set up it ran all last year when I drove it. That car was checked by NMRA Tech a half a dozen times in 2001 with me and at least three times in 2002 with Gabe so what are you trying to say Mike?

As a matter of fact, when the 2002 rules were released, JFL even stated on the old NMRA site that "Racers that used the ProCharger system in 2001 year were not affected by the 2002 rules."

Since the Beningo car was the ONLY ProCharger car running Real Street in 2001, it was declared totally legal as shipped to Chris.

It seems like a trend in the lower heads up racing classes. If someone does well, they must be cheating.

Hmmm... sounds like what happened to us last year with the Twins!!!! We're used to it....

Well, in this case it isnt true.

Same here buddy, we're 100% legal!

As of the first of the year the P1-SC2 was legalized by the NMRA to run in Real Street. If anyone has one of these blowers and wants to bring it to BG, we will be glad to put it on the car and back to back it.

To prove what???

We aren't running a cheater blower, we have NEVER ran a cheater blower, or any other cheater parts for that matter.

Same here! The same stuff for two seasons straight. Passing Tech every time!!!


Lets all grow up, and stop spreading baseless rumors.

Michael Freedman

First of all Mike, this is the FIRST time I have ever heard of such BS in R/S concerning the ProChargers so if there are any false rumors being spread, I guess you can be the beacon for them.

In spite of what you're inferring, the head unit that is in Beningo's car was nothing special either, just freshened by the factory and installed. Let's just squash that rumor right now.

While it's true the P1SC is a bit down in power from the rest of the field, Gabe and Chris make up for it in suspension and driving. That's why the "Evil Twin" doesn't mph like the nitrous cars and the Vortech/Paxton crowd yet seems to ET really well.

Bottom line, racers will go where the power is, period! I mentioned this in the Race Pages Real Street round table discussion last year! If nitrous has an advantage (it does right now) then switch to it. As for the blowers, it appears the Novi has the rest of the field covered so the switch is on. Life goes on!!!!

BTW.... You can either send me five Ben Franklins or that unit back please... :)

Ed

[wickedrenegade]

my bad i thought he was talking about the novi.........so mike is saying the rumor is that everyone was running a 4.25.....now i get it duh....(slaps himself on farhead) sorry for the mix up....kevin @ wicked

[Chris Fillyaw]

I made the switch from the P1SC for one main reason. It was because of the treatment I received from the Procharger's customer service department. The customer service from Ricky Best(Vortech/Paxton) was outstanding and I felt that they appreciated me running their product even though I wasn't a well known racer so I made the switch.

I have not heard other guys in Real Street complaining about the P1SC and pulley sizes.

[CHRIS TUTEN]

TECH NAZI,
IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING, WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE NITROUS CARS HAVE AN ADVANTAGE RIGHT NOW? I KNOW THERE IS A 100 LB WEIGHT BREAK BUT OTHER THAN THAT I DON'T SEE WHERE THE ADVANTAGE IS. I SEE IT AS CLOSER RACING. REAL STREET IS THE ONLY CLASS RIGHT NOW WHERE A LOW DOLLAR POWER ADDER CAN BE COMPETETIVE. I WOULD ALSO VENTURE TO SAY DON'T ALLOW THE NOVI 2000 AND MAKE ALL WEIGHTS 3200. OTHERWISE LOVE THE REAL STREET RULES.

[SwillRacer]

"I made the switch from the P1SC for one main reason. It was because of the treatment I received from the Procharger's customer service department. The customer service from Ricky Best(Vortech/Paxton) was outstanding and I felt that they appreciated me running their product even though I wasn't a well known racer so I made the switch."

Chris, I here ya on that. I don't have any experience w/Procharger at all, BUT I do know that Ricky Best and the rest of the Vortech/Paxton crew have treated us very-very well. We could barely get more than a "hi, hows it going?" out of certain NOS representatives at the races back when we used to spray....

[Ed Curtis]

Originally posted by CHRIS TUTEN
TECH NAZI,
IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING, WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE NITROUS CARS HAVE AN ADVANTAGE RIGHT NOW? I KNOW THERE IS A 100 LB WEIGHT BREAK BUT OTHER THAN THAT I DON'T SEE WHERE THE ADVANTAGE IS. I SEE IT AS CLOSER RACING. REAL STREET IS THE ONLY CLASS RIGHT NOW WHERE A LOW DOLLAR POWER ADDER CAN BE COMPETETIVE. I WOULD ALSO VENTURE TO SAY DON'T ALLOW THE NOVI 2000 AND MAKE ALL WEIGHTS 3200. OTHERWISE LOVE THE REAL STREET RULES.

Hi Chris....

1) 100 pound weight break. (definate advantage)

2) No extra weight on the nose. (does help with the weight bias)

3) Tiny crank pulleys (less drag on the engine)

4) Runs better in the hot weather (We do race in the summer months)

5) Anyone ever check fuel at the fogger nozzle? (Hello?)

6) No frayed, slipping or broken belts to contend with.

7) Blower kits are "as shipped". Nitrous kits can be mixed and modified. No one checks them?

That's right of the top with no help from the other Real Street racers. I could mention more but then some people would say I'm singling them out. :D :D :D

"That's a joke Scott"

Ed Curtis

[SwillRacer]

oh go ahead Ed.....I'm bored today, I need a little excitement in my life...those are all very good points by-the-way.....

[CHRIS TUTEN]

ED,

1) I MENTION THE 100 LBS. WEIGHT BREAK.

2) JUDGING BY HOW HIGH AND FAR SOME OF THE SUPERCHARGED GUYS ARE PULLING THE TIRES I CAN'T SEE WHERE THE LITTLE EXTRA WEIGHT OVER THE NOSE IS HURTING.

3) NOT EVERYONE IS RUNNING TINY CRANK PULLEYS. I PERSONALLY HAD A REGULAR UNDERDRIVE PULLEY AND SWITCHED TO A TINY CRANK PULLEY AND DID NOT SEE ANY CHANGE ON THE DYNO OR AT THE TRACK.

4) WE DON'T RUN BETTER IN THE HOT WEATHER, IT JUST DOESN'T HURT US AS MUCH RUNNING IN THE HOT WEATHER. SOMETIMES THE IS QUALLIFYING AT NIGHT AND THAT HELPS THE QUALLIFYING OF THE SUPERCHARGED CARS, IT DID AT ATCO. EQUALLY TRUE WE DO RACE ELIMINATIONS IN THE HEAT.

5) "CHECK FUEL AT THE NOZZLE", I DON'T CARE WHERE MINE IS CHECKED. I DON'T HAVE A SEPERATE FUEL SYSTEM (JUST USING MY CAR AS AN EXAMPLE). ALSO NOT ALL CARS USE A "WET" KIT.

6) ABOUT THE BELTS-- THAT COULD BE A DOWNFALL TO A SUPERCHARGER, NITROUS HAS DOWNFALLS ALSO. SUPERCHARGED CARS ARE ABLE TO TURN MORE RPM (WITH THE CAM RESTRICTIONS-- NOT COMPLAINING THOUGH) VS. NITROUS. MY CAR PEAKED AT 4950-5000 ON THE DYNO, HAVE HEARD OF SOME SUPERCHARGED CARS GOING TO 6600 OR SO.

7) NITROUS KITS ARE SHIPPED WITH DIFFERENT JETS. JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE BIGGER JETS DOESN'T MEAN THEY WILL MAKE MORE POWER. BESIDES HOW MANY PEOPLE RUN THINGS AS SHIPPED? MAYBE A DIFFERENT TUBE SIZE HERE, MODIFYING THE TENSIONER THERE TO HELP WITH SLIPPAGE, UPGRADE TO A BIGGER BLOWER,ECT. EVERYONE TRIES TO DO SOMETHING TO GET AN ADVANTAGE, SUPERCHARGED GUYS ARE NO DIFFERENT.

I AGREE ABOUT NOS-- THEY ARE @$$H@LES. ALL THEY SAID IS THAT SOMEONE THAT WORKS THERE IS BUILDING A CAR AND THEY ARE NOT GIVING OUT INFO. PRETTY CRAPY WHEN YOU ARE/WERE WANTING TO BUY THIER KIT.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE JUST NERVOUS BECAUSE FOR ONCE A NITROUS CAR CAN COMPETE WITH A LEGITAMATE CHANCE OF WINNING. AND THE RULES BETWEEN THE 2 POWERADDERS ARE PRETTY CLOSE REQUIRING ONLY A 100 LB WEIGHT DIFFERENCE TO GET THE CARS CLOSE.

[SwillRacer]

Originally posted by Tech Nazi


5) Anyone ever check fuel at the fogger nozzle? (Hello?)

That's right of the top with no help from the other Real Street racers. I could mention more but then some people would say I'm singling them out. :D :D :D

"That's a joke Scott"

Ed Curtis

I missed what you were inferring last week when I read your post the first time.

Soooooo, before you go down this road too far Ed, the fuel line that feeds Bruce's nitrous solenoid comes from the same gas tank that his engine is fed fuel from. I guess the only thing left to say is: Put up the cash and have him torn down at BG(which he will willingly do AFTER the race if you pay for it) or stop trying to spread rumors. Your choice.

[Vicious]

Haha, Tech Nazi,,,,sssshhhhh!!

Stop givin out so much info there!
He don't know what hes talking about guys,,,run the blowers, they are better:D


Tony V
setting the pace in RS

[Tommy D]

Just another example of another NMRA class that has gotten too fast too soon. I thought this was the "everyman" class? Guess not, way to go NMRA!!!!

[SwillRacer]

why is this NMRA's fault? EVERYONE should know by now that racing costs lots of time and $$$$$$. If you don't have both, then don't come out to play. Sorry if that's harsh, but it's the truth. The NMRA can only do so much to keep things under control cuz there will ALWAYS be someone out there willing to spend the time and money to go faster and win. If you don't like it, then the bracket classes are calling your name....